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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MiamiCowboy
I consider myself a hard core purist and could not see having a Corvette, yet alone a Z06 without a manual transmission. I will admit however that the new 8 speed that is coming has me curious. Since I will not be an early buyer of the new Z06 I will have time to review the real life experiences that I am sure will be shared on the forum. I do think the offering of the automatic is going to get a lot of people into a car that they should have never considered owning.
Well it's good that you have an open mind about it, I think more and more people will. I originally planned on going with the manual but it was a tough choice mainly because I will drive the car every day and believe me it is no fun when you get stuck in traffic in Los Angeles and have to shift from first to second what seems like eleventy billion times LOL. Or even worse stay in first in stop and go for way too long. So when they announced the 8 speed auto I decided that tipped the scales to the auto. Either that or move where there is less traffic!
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 09:16 AM
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The jaguar f type v8 with 550hp and the ZF8 automatic 8 speed has gottenravereviews so I ll wait to test drive the new corvette A8 ...

Technology moves on and the torque converter track performance is easy to advance.
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 09:35 AM
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Here is some additional information about the new GM 8L90 transmission:

http://youwheel.com/2014/04/25/lates...itbit-gm-8l90/


Also, if anyone has trouble understanding how this revolutionary transmission works, this video should resolve any further problems. If after viewing this you still don't understand then it is suggested that you order the Manual, 1900's style, stick shifter for your modern ZO6:

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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PowerLabs
Nah, plenty of people like myself still think an old school torque converter automatic has no place in a sports car. But I have gone to enough "Corvettes at Carlisle", "Bowling Green Cruize-Ins" and "Corvetter Cruises" to understand that, sports-car heritage aside, the vast majority of buyers are older men looking for something to wax, keep miles off, drive gingerly and show off on the weekends, and to that demographic a soft automatic makes a lot of sense. In the end as long as it helps GM sell a lot of them it benefits me because I'll be able to get what I want for cheap.
Well said!
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 10:07 AM
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Yeah I'm with PowerLabs on this one.

No reason to go automatic unless I lost a leg. This desire to "go faster" with an automatic is silly. You'll sacrifice all the fun of rowing your own gears for tenths of a second those few times you bring it to a track? If track times are really all someone cares about then is a brand new $100k Z06 the right choice? One could build a car much faster at the track for less than $100k. And "Why waste time shifting your own gears" to me sounds exactly like "Why waste time going out for a cruise in your Vette."

It not about the numbers it's about the journey. Let's say hypothetically the auto does 10.8 at in the quarter and the manual 11 flat. Well I'm going to feel a hell of a lot more excited and proud when I pick up that time slip that says 10.9 than the guy in the auto who just ran 10.7 by just putting his foot down.

The auto is for the waxers...but I'm ok with that and I'm all for more options.

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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PowerLabs
Nah, plenty of people like myself still think an old school torque converter automatic has no place in a sports car.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...n/#more-805018

The LFA tranny is the way to go with our with or a torque converter.
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BOBSZ06
Here is some additional information about the new GM 8L90 transmission:

http://youwheel.com/2014/04/25/lates...itbit-gm-8l90/


Also, if anyone has trouble understanding how this revolutionary transmission works, this video should resolve any further problems. If after viewing this you still don't understand then it is suggested that you order the Manual, 1900's style, stick shifter for your modern ZO6:

Rockwell Turbo Encabulator Version 2 - YouTube
Great video Bob..... LOL! I'm beginning to understand much better the dynamics of what we're dealing with here in RESPECT to numbers and both objectivity and maturity, if you know what I mean. Oh! Did I forget to mention narcissism.... Either way, with that being said, I do believe I'm spending allot more time on another forum based on it's healthier environment, primarily because it appears to be monitored more closely for many of the antics going on in this one.
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by phantasms
Yeah I'm with PowerLabs on this one.

No reason to go automatic unless I lost a leg. This desire to "go faster" with an automatic is silly. You'll sacrifice all the fun of rowing your own gears for tenths of a second those few times you bring it to a track? If track times are really all someone cares about then is a brand new $100k Z06 the right choice? One could build a car much faster at the track for less than $100k. And "Why waste time shifting your own gears" to me sounds exactly like "Why waste time going out for a cruise in your Vette."

It not about the numbers it's about the journey. Let's say hypothetically the auto does 10.8 at in the quarter and the manual 11 flat. Well I'm going to feel a hell of a lot more excited and proud when I pick up that time slip that says 10.9 than the guy in the auto who just ran 10.7 by just putting his foot down.

The auto is for the waxers...but I'm ok with that and I'm all for more options.

Best,
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I struggle to understand the whole "but the auto is faster on the drag strip" mentality. Yeah, it is. So what? Does that make it a better car? Is that the golden standard of automotive performance then: hold your foot down, wait 10 seconds, hit the brakes, go home with a paper slip?
It can be EVEN faster if you put a higher stall converter on it. And faster still with a two speed power glide. Then you can put softer shocks on the back, some drag radials, skinny tires up front, and it will go faster than most cars! Now some weight reduction, take out the power seats, put some buckets on, remove sway bars, interior, radio, HVAC, power steering and you have a serious drag car. That must mean it is better, right? Hell, if you drive slowly to avoid overheating the transmission and don't take any fast corners you might even be able to call it a "Street car" as you carefully make your way to the drag strip to run your 3 passes for the day!

I'm sorry but unless you make money by drag racing professionally, picking a transmission because it is better in the 1/4 mile is missing the point.
I drive for fun, and for me the manual is more fun. But don't get me wrong, I completely respect anyone's decision to do whatever they want with their car. The ONLY exception I took to this thread was people thinking that the automatic in the Z06 is somehow comparable to the automated manuals in Porsches, Ferraris, etc. That's a pet peeve of mine, that's all.

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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaka
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...n/#more-805018

The LFA tranny is the way to go with our with or a torque converter.
Excellent article. I had a feeling GM was onto something with this new trans and it blows me away they were working on this clear back in 2009. Great post Shaka.
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by turbolou
Way back I commented about the ZR-1 & about how I wished it were offered with an auto got accused of heresy & even suggested I turn in my membership here. Now I read about everyone crowing about the Z06 being offered with one & why the new Vipers sales are so soft because an auto isn't offered. I now feel vindicated & consider my self some what of a visionary.
I just figured out the Z07 isn't coming with it!

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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
I just figured out the Z07 isn't coming with it!

Where is this information from? I just saw your comment on the video on the other thread. I've heard nothing about the auto not being offered on the Z07 and can't possibly imagine they would do that because it would more or less mean they were admitting the weakness of the auto. (which I'm not sure that there is)
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 04:36 PM
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Negative.

The show ZO7 cars had the auto in several!
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBSZ06
Negative.

The show ZO7 cars had the auto in several!
Yeah that's what I thought. Pretty sure I say in an automatic Z07 the other day.

Crazy the way rumors get started.


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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 07:07 PM
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Gene,

Actually, that naked Yellow Z07 that you photographed at the NY show had an auto!
But I have seen it in the Show Yellow car and in some other photos as well.

Here is the spec. sheet...guess it could always change:

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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBSZ06
Gene,

Actually, that naked Yellow Z07 that you photographed at the NY show had an auto!
But I have seen it in the Show Yellow car and in some other photos as well.

Here is the spec. sheet...guess it could always change:
At the NCM Bash Friday morning, Harlan Charles confirmed during a presentation that all Z06s will have the option of manual or A8.
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Old Apr 26, 2014 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by phantasms
Yeah I'm with PowerLabs on this one.

No reason to go automatic unless I lost a leg. This desire to "go faster" with an automatic is silly. You'll sacrifice all the fun of rowing your own gears for tenths of a second those few times you bring it to a track? If track times are really all someone cares about then is a brand new $100k Z06 the right choice? One could build a car much faster at the track for less than $100k. And "Why waste time shifting your own gears" to me sounds exactly like "Why waste time going out for a cruise in your Vette."

It not about the numbers it's about the journey. Let's say hypothetically the auto does 10.8 at in the quarter and the manual 11 flat. Well I'm going to feel a hell of a lot more excited and proud when I pick up that time slip that says 10.9 than the guy in the auto who just ran 10.7 by just putting his foot down.

The auto is for the waxers...but I'm ok with that and I'm all for more options.

Best,
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It's more like .5 seconds in the C7 between M7 and A6. (looking at the C7 fast list) With even more horsepower and torque, and if the A8 is really a huge step up, that gap might be even wider still.

The Auto is a good solid choice if other people are going to be driving your car at some point that don't know how to drive a stick. (and yes there ARE people I trust enough with my babies to let them drive them who aren't me... and without me even being in the car while they drive it!) That's one thing I don't miss about my last manual car, the ability to switch drivers with any of my non gear head friends or girlfriends if need be, on an especially long drive.

Ideally of course you'd have 2... one stick one auto.
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I'll stipulate that GM will sell more Corvettes because they are offering the Z06 with a slushbox, but I will never be convinced that a proper sports car should be had with anything other than a manual. They already ruined Lamborghini and Ferrari and dozens of otherwise great cars with no option other than a boring automatic, I pray the same never happens to Corvette.
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Originally Posted by ANTIVNOM
I'll stipulate that GM will sell more Corvettes because they are offering the Z06 with a slushbox, but I will never be convinced that a proper sports car should be had with anything other than a manual. They already ruined Lamborghini and Ferrari and dozens of otherwise great cars with no option other than a boring automatic, I pray the same never happens to Corvette.
I love driving a manual tranny, but let's face it, a manual tranny cannot outperform the new Automatics/paddle shifters that come in Porsches, Ferraris, or even VWs

Of course, these are basically manual trannies without a clutch pedal.

I think dinosaurs like us like the feel of pressing the clutch and engaging each gear, paddleshifts in these type automatics don't give you that raw muscle feeling, but they do it better.

My next Vette will probably be the 8 speed automatic.

I can always drive my 600rwhp Dinosaur Shelby with a manual
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Old Apr 27, 2014 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1
Until a dual-clutch manual comes out--I'm sticking w/ 3 pedals...!
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Originally Posted by BOBSZ06
Here is some additional information about the new GM 8L90 transmission:

http://youwheel.com/2014/04/25/lates...itbit-gm-8l90/


Also, if anyone has trouble understanding how this revolutionary transmission works, this video should resolve any further problems. If after viewing this you still don't understand then it is suggested that you order the Manual, 1900's style, stick shifter for your modern ZO6:

Rockwell Turbo Encabulator Version 2 - YouTube
He got it all right but left out one thing:

The fixating pulse reflector does not peculate during cycles of expansion and actually stagnates until the osculating trip fuser erupts.

I learned that in pre K...............
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