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Old May 1, 2014 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by glass slipper
The 8L90 has a lot more in common with a DSG/DCT than you think...if you would get off your high horse and actually compare the two, you might develop a little respect for the 8L90. BTW, a DSG/DCT is not an automated manual either...in fact, many manufacturers call their DSG/DCT automatics (Porsche included).

I get my fun by going faster, if the 8L90 does it then I'm all in. For those who have fun shifting, go for the manual...I have no intentions of defining how people should derive their pleasure. I really don't understand why there are so many people hell bent on insisting people have to drive a manual because they say so. If they are having so much fun driving a manual, why rent space in your mind worrying about people driving an automatic...relax, live and let live.
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Old May 2, 2014 | 01:02 AM
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Old May 2, 2014 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by spdmn75
a lot of people that have never driven a fast auto car that is setup right don't know what they are missing. If you have driven a 12' or newer CTS-V/ ZL1 auto, you would see the differences GM has made in their autos. They did a big revision in the trans tune that cut down on shift times and made it very responsive. no reason to waste time shifting gears
If that is you idea of fast shifting and being responsive then you have idea what a fast automatic is... seriously. They were quick for an auto 15 years ago... but not today.


This new 8 speed can be great (I hope it will be), or it can suck, time will tell, but if it as terrible as the auto in those cars, it will be a total failure.

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Old May 2, 2014 | 06:13 AM
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The corvette engineering team stated the 8 speed automatic is a no compromise performance transmission.....which means lap times on the road course should dual the manual transmission option...

Acceleration usually favors automatics anyways so the A8 should be a huge win.

I look forward to test driving the 8 speed versus 7 speed to decide for myself.

You ll know rather quickly which you prefer.
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Old May 2, 2014 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JerriVette
The corvette engineering team stated the 8 speed automatic is a no compromise performance transmission.....which means lap times on the road course should dual the manual transmission option...

Acceleration usually favors automatics anyways so the A8 should be a huge win.

I look forward to test driving the 8 speed versus 7 speed to decide for myself.

You ll know rather quickly which you prefer.
Very true. I hope it is extremely durable also. If it can't handle the modifications people undoubtably will perform on many of these cars it will get a bad name quickly. LMR and company's like them are puting over 1000 horse through the current auto with only a torque converter change. So far the transmission is living. Granted its life is probably being shortened.
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Old May 4, 2014 | 04:43 PM
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Default So what are they doing with the extra gear?

Somebody said they were going really short? But that can't be true, since, they are still talking some pretty mundane number!


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Old May 4, 2014 | 08:22 PM
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Does the top vette get nothing off the line?!

the manual M5 takes 4.2 seconds to reach 60 mph and 12.5 seconds to pass the quarter mile. The fastest twin-clutch-equipped M5 we tested clocked in at 3.7 seconds to 60 and 11.9 seconds for the quarter mile.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz30nQyON6L


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Old May 4, 2014 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
Does the top vette get nothing off the line?!

the manual M5 takes 4.2 seconds to reach 60 mph and 12.5 seconds to pass the quarter mile. The fastest twin-clutch-equipped M5 we tested clocked in at 3.7 seconds to 60 and 11.9 seconds for the quarter mile.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz30nQyON6L

The sky is falling....the sky is falling...the sky is falling.
Why don't you just wait for the actual testing of the car to reveal how it performs instead of embarrassing yourself with this nonsense?

If you're not out there spreading completely incorrect info, you're swinging your feeble strawman at issues that don't exist.
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Old May 5, 2014 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jwstegbauer
Just wondering if we have any information if GM is going to change their funky way of using the paddle shift (using the + for up shifting, and pulling the paddle to down shift) instead of the conventional Right Paddle for up shifting and Left Paddle for down shifting on the ZO6.....

They really need to get this resolved....a world class sports car with a second rate paddle shift system is a deal breaker in my book, no matter how good the A8 is supposed to be....
it is not clear how you are saying it should work. in the A6 you pull the right paddle for upshift and pull the left paddle for down shift. What is the way that you are saying is better, and why is it better?
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Old May 5, 2014 | 12:32 PM
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I believe they changed it for the C7. I think he's referring to the C6.
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Old May 5, 2014 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Snorman
The sky is falling....the sky is falling...the sky is falling.
Why don't you just wait for the actual testing of the car to reveal how it performs instead of embarrassing yourself with this nonsense?

If you're not out there spreading completely incorrect info, you're swinging your feeble strawman at issues that don't exist.
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But I can't think of a logical reason Tadge would be minimizing this or The Ring info. All I am doing is keeping score based on known info. IE 3.5s 0-60 is really going to be 3.4. Wow!!! And they aren't spending 2 million on a ring time, and not making a SCCA vette like the Z28 with its stiffer suspension.

And I hope your right and they will end up doing really well, but, again there just aren't real good indications of that.


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Old May 5, 2014 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by johnglenntwo
But I can't think of a logical reason Tadge would be minimizing this or The Ring info. All I am doing is keeping score based on known info. IE 3.5s 0-60 is really going to be 3.4. Wow!!! And they aren't spending 2 million on a ring time, and not making a SCCA vette like the Z28 with its stiffer suspension.

And I hope your right and they will end up doing really well, but, again there just aren't real good indications of that.

Underpromise and Over deliver.
They did it with the whole car up to this point.
the C7 Z51 was enough to Face Trounce the GTR on Willowsprings, it embarrassed the 911 too there for that matter. Hell it keeps up with (and makes a drivers race) with a F12 around Laguna. Both of which are more powerful cars, pretty comfortably.

What makes you think the C7 ZO6 will not continue the tradition of Face Trouncing the competition like the C6 Z, and the C5 Z before it?

Ring times at the moment aren't important for the sales of the C7 Stingray. The car hasn't hit it's "slump" yet. For that matter, all of us know this is just the Base Model, and for all the concerns about handling on the Ring only two things really matter there, Horsepower and Weight. Speeds on the ring are much higher than on most full road courses.

The ZO6, we already know was already a full second and change faster than the outgoing ZR1 on GM's proving ground. That was on it's first lap with no on track feedback to develop the car with. One Second, on a very tight, and cramped track. On it's first lap.

Also, I don't buy the GTR's ring time. If the GTR were really capable of the time on the ring that it were, they'd have sent that sucker straight from the ring to Laguna seca to dethrone the Viper and the ZR1. But they haven't. Infact the current GTR got smoked on edmunds by a Z51 C7... says alot about just how "heroic" that car really is when the base model beat it like a foster child

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Old May 5, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MavsAK
Underpromise and Over deliver.
They did it with the whole car up to this point.
the C7 Z51 was enough to Face Trounce the GTR on Willowsprings, it embarrassed the 911 too there for that matter. Hell it keeps up with (and makes a drivers race) with a F12 around Laguna. Both of which are more powerful cars, pretty comfortably.

What makes you think the C7 ZO6 will not continue the tradition of Face Trouncing the competition like the C6 Z, and the C5 Z before it?

Ring times at the moment aren't important for the sales of the C7 Stingray. The car hasn't hit it's "slump" yet. For that matter, all of us know this is just the Base Model, and for all the concerns about handling on the Ring only two things really matter there, Horsepower and Weight. Speeds on the ring are much higher than on most full road courses.

The ZO6, we already know was already a full second and change faster than the outgoing ZR1 on GM's proving ground. That was on it's first lap with no on track feedback to develop the car with. One Second, on a very tight, and cramped track. On it's first lap.

Also, I don't buy the GTR's ring time. If the GTR were really capable of the time on the ring that it were, they'd have sent that sucker straight from the ring to Laguna seca to dethrone the Viper and the ZR1. But they haven't. Infact the current GTR got smoked on edmunds by a Z51 C7... says alot about just how "heroic" that car really is when the base model beat it like a foster child
I believe they were flirting with 3.9s in those interactions. And yes we have seen a 3.7s so something similar relatively would almost be acceptable? But the old Z51 was 4.1s and the ZR1 was 3.3s so I'd be looking for improvement even in the early rhetoric!

As far as The Ring probably the mid teens if they do it, which, would put them way ahead of the Porsche turbo S. That would work!

I'm not saying this isn't a much improved car its only that I don't like being wrong and I have predicted very good across the board all things considered! I was thinking the Z07 would be stiffer for road racing, but, it actually makes sense that it isn't as an all around track car.


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I detest Automatics in a Vette, period.

Call me old school.
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Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
I detest Automatics in a Vette, period.

Call me old school.


OK. Old school!
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Old May 13, 2014 | 11:12 AM
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If it wasn't for this new auto in the c7z06 people like me wouldn't be able to enjoy the z06! I recently was in an accident and can no longer use my legs and bc of that i can only drive autos now and once i saw that that new z06 comes in auto i started saving and budgeting like crazy! I had a manual c5 since i started driving and i loved it and now drive a shift-able auto car and it is nice to use the auto when just touring and shift when you are are driving hard. I would have never said it before but now using it is so much nicer than manual.

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Old May 13, 2014 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vettskii
If it wasn't for this new auto in the c7z06 people like me wouldn't be able to enjoy the z06! I recently was in an accident and can no longer use my legs and bc of that i can only drive autos now and once i saw that that new z06 comes in auto i started saving and budgeting like crazy! I had a manual c5 since i started driving and i loved it and now drive a shift-able auto car and it is nice to use the auto when just touring and shift when you are are driving hard. I would have never said it before but now using it is so much nicer than manuel.
Sorry to read about your injury. I'm glad you can once again buy the car that you can thoroughly enjoy. I'm glad they made something great available to more people.
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Old May 13, 2014 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
I detest Automatics in a Vette, period.

Call me old school.




Don't care how fast they are, or anything else. Nothing can change the fact that automatics are BORING.
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Old May 13, 2014 | 07:26 PM
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Coming from a gt500 with 600 rwhp and a C6 Z06, both manuals, I have to say the C7 with the A6 is far from boring.

It is very responsive and is an absolute plast to drive.

I didn't even get the NPP or Z51, my Shelby was so loud, this is a pleasure.

Plus the auto is faster than the manual C7 and more consistent.
Just said that to **** you manual guys off, lol.

OOPS, wrong forum

but, automatics are still fun.
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Old May 13, 2014 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Snorman
I'll preface my comment by stating that IMO you provide some VERY good info and I really appreciate it. I know you have a good amount of knowledge and firsthand experience on-track.

However, considering I can overheat the A6 in about 12-14 minutes on an "easy" track like Daytona-Rolex, I am very skeptical that the A8 will really be "track certified" as GM/Tadge is claiming. Very skeptical. This weekend, I'll be at Sebring. 10-15* hotter than Daytona was and a lot harder on hardware. I'd be surprised if I could get in a warmup and 4 hot laps in my A6 C7. I don't even consider taking the it.

IMO, GM is going to have a LOT of convincing to do to make me believe the A8 is really going to be "track certified" for "98 percent" of drivers.
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