Considering a Mustang GT350R over a new Z06...am I crazy??
07-28-2015, 06:09 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
I like the new mustangs and the new GT350 is an especially nice model. However give me that boost!! N/A has it's advantages but I just love the thought of forced induction. If the choice was between a gt350 or a C7 Z06 i'd take the keys to the Z and never give it a second thought.
07-28-2015, 07:04 PM
#43
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Not crazy. The car looks phenomenal (so does the non R 350). I think the R is more of a C7 Z51/Z28 competitor though. With the heating issues, it'll probably beat the C7Z after a few laps...Also, wouldn't your C6 Z06 beat it (more torque and lighter) on a road course?
Question for the crowd:
1. I noticed a relatively big difference between HP and torque (529/429). I'm used to the Vette graphs, 400hp/400 torque, 500/500, etc. What's the explanation?
Gracias!
Question for the crowd:
1. I noticed a relatively big difference between HP and torque (529/429). I'm used to the Vette graphs, 400hp/400 torque, 500/500, etc. What's the explanation?
Gracias!
07-28-2015, 07:09 PM
#44
Ford did a lot of track testing on that motor and it took forever for them to release a horsepower figure. They might have left some on the table for reliability reasons.
It is being raced now in the Continental Series iirc.
Released today, supposedly 3,6xx lbs. The C7Z is 35xxlbs.
The low center of gravity of the C7 is excellent for track use, no doubt. Plus the GT500 is very front heavy.
Although I love the idea of CF wheels. First on a mass produced car.
The GT350R is likely mid 1:35s-1:37s at MRLS. It's not touching low 1:30s where the C6Z Z07 was.
It is being raced now in the Continental Series iirc.
Believe me, I know. My GT500 is over 3800# and I fought with brakes before landing on something that works (RB racing 2-piece rotors F/R and RB Racing pads), and still, it's very hard on brakes and nowhere near as balanced as the C7 or Z06.
Clearly the chassis of the C7 is far more suited for track use, but the GT350 is still very cool.
S.
Clearly the chassis of the C7 is far more suited for track use, but the GT350 is still very cool.
S.
Although I love the idea of CF wheels. First on a mass produced car.
Not crazy. The car looks phenomenal (so does the non R 350). I think the R is more of a C7 Z51/Z28 competitor though. With the heating issues, it'll probably beat the C7Z after a few laps...Also, wouldn't your C6 Z06 beat it (more torque and lighter) on a road course?
Question for the crowd:
1. I noticed a relatively big difference between HP and torque (529/429). I'm used to the Vette graphs, 400hp/400 torque, 500/500, etc. What's the explanation?
Gracias!
Question for the crowd:
1. I noticed a relatively big difference between HP and torque (529/429). I'm used to the Vette graphs, 400hp/400 torque, 500/500, etc. What's the explanation?
Gracias!
07-28-2015, 07:39 PM
#45
Hey guys...I currently own a 2007 Z06 that I track and was anxiously waiting for the new Z06 when it was released. I was disappointed when I saw that it was supercharged! I was really hoping for an NA powered track day special as the previous generation Z06s have been.
I have been lurking for quite some time and have been disappointed to see the new Z06 is hard to keep cool during track events. Obviously it is still fast and does look amazing!
I am seriously considering the new Ford Mustang GT350R. It is a NA track day special that appears to have the ability to run all day at the track and be immense fun. NA power(5.2L Flat Plane Crank V8), high revs (8200rpm), 526 hp isn't 650, but should be plenty of fun.
I love my 2007 Z06 and will be keeping it. I have thought of a 911 GT3 and this new GT350R may be a descent substitute for the GT3 at half the price. Obviously it is front engine V8 vs. rear engine f6, but it is designed for ultimate high revving NA track performance just like the GT3.
What do you guys think? Am I crazy?
I have been lurking for quite some time and have been disappointed to see the new Z06 is hard to keep cool during track events. Obviously it is still fast and does look amazing!
I am seriously considering the new Ford Mustang GT350R. It is a NA track day special that appears to have the ability to run all day at the track and be immense fun. NA power(5.2L Flat Plane Crank V8), high revs (8200rpm), 526 hp isn't 650, but should be plenty of fun.
I love my 2007 Z06 and will be keeping it. I have thought of a 911 GT3 and this new GT350R may be a descent substitute for the GT3 at half the price. Obviously it is front engine V8 vs. rear engine f6, but it is designed for ultimate high revving NA track performance just like the GT3.
What do you guys think? Am I crazy?
Good luck on your decision.
07-28-2015, 08:31 PM
#46
Not crazy but good luck getting one. I tried to get a GT350 (non-R), no luck. A friend who has bought a lot of Mustangs tried, was told they were only accepting sealed bids for how much he would pay over MSRP, and that was for a 2016. From what he told me you'll be paying $15-$20K over.
So I went and ordered the Z06, very happy with it.
So I went and ordered the Z06, very happy with it.
07-28-2015, 08:32 PM
#47
Le Mans Master
I hate seeing Viper, Porsche and Mustang with potent N/A cars and GM/Tadge saying it couldn't be done. In the end though, I know the Z06 had to be supercharged for the CTS-V to live. That car NEEDS the torque and ability of the supercharged engine. Z06 died..... I don't blame people for looking at machines that represent a true track day car. Wish GM had one...
07-28-2015, 09:57 PM
#48
I don't really understand people complaining about the C7Z06 saying it's not a true track car, and saying the GT350R is. The Ford is awesome, but it won't come close to track lap times of a C7Z06. I'm thinking it will be similar to C7 Z51 times.
07-28-2015, 10:23 PM
#49
The problem is that with the Z06 you don't know how many laps you'll get, so your track day could turn out to be 20 minutes. The 350R, Z/28s, Miatas, etc. may be slower but you'll get consistency. You'll have more fun while actually getting better!
07-28-2015, 10:41 PM
#50
Drifting
I don't own a C7Z and unless my budget gets a large cash infusion, probably never will. But I love the looks. Saying that, I'd hope that I'd put lots of laps on the mustang or other lesser cars before I had to slow down in my 20min hpde session and had the group pass me. Oh I'd be pissed!
07-28-2015, 11:09 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
2) I think you sort of hit the nail on the head with the "Z06 is dead" comment, depending on who you talk to. Matt Farah said it should really be called a ZR1. To be honest, it's a great track car, but needs the cooling fixed and it'll live up to the Z06 name, but at the same time, take it another direction.
07-29-2015, 08:30 AM
#52
As it stands, I'm confident that the GT350R will be considerably quicker on track than a C7Z51. A Z06, no, but that's not Ford's target for their $60K 'track capable' pony-car.
07-29-2015, 09:54 AM
#53
From Ford Performance at the Grattan track preview.... in the video via Detroit Free Press, 1:03 mark: http://www.freep.com/story/money/car...tang/30677137/
"We brought our GT350R and our GT350 Track Pack here at Grattan to do fair, back to back same day and same driver comparisons. The GT350R with the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires is equal to the 100th of a second as fast as the Porsche 911 GT3 and it is over a second quicker than the Z/28.
The base GT350 with Track Pack, which uses the Pilot Super Sport tire, is equal again, to within a 100th of a second to the Porsche Carerra and the Corvette C7 with the Z51 package."
Per Kerry Baldori, Chief Functional Engineering, Global Performance Vehicles at Ford.
The base GT350 with Track Pack, which uses the Pilot Super Sport tire, is equal again, to within a 100th of a second to the Porsche Carerra and the Corvette C7 with the Z51 package."
Per Kerry Baldori, Chief Functional Engineering, Global Performance Vehicles at Ford.
07-29-2015, 10:03 AM
#54
Le Mans Master
Crazy!
The Mustang is a very nice fast boat - heavy, and relatively poor weight distribution. Once the 'honeymoon' period wears off, I suspect you will be very disappointed in it vs your current C6Z.
The Mustang is a very nice fast boat - heavy, and relatively poor weight distribution. Once the 'honeymoon' period wears off, I suspect you will be very disappointed in it vs your current C6Z.
07-29-2015, 10:04 AM
#55
Drifting
I thought the Z/28 was quicker around a track than the Z51 to start with?
Is he saying they did back to backs with both ford products AND the Porshce and Z/28 the same day? That would be the only way to make that statement it seems.
Is he saying they did back to backs with both ford products AND the Porshce and Z/28 the same day? That would be the only way to make that statement it seems.
07-29-2015, 10:45 AM
#56
Scraping the splitter.
http://www.svtperformance.com/2015/0...de/#more-19919
And this should really be moved to Other Cars.
S.
And this should really be moved to Other Cars.
S.
07-29-2015, 10:54 AM
#57
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http://www.svtperformance.com/2015/0...de/#more-19919
And this should really be moved to Other Cars.
S.
And this should really be moved to Other Cars.
S.
Cool brake set-up. Those look to be capable of taking some abuse.
Car does have a different sound with that flat plane crank.
07-29-2015, 11:08 AM
#58
Hey Tadge... read this: 
"We are told that the car is built to easily endure 20-minute open-track sessions and still get you home in comfort if you opt for the Tech Pack option. In fact, our second hot-lap session was made with the air-conditioning blasting, and the car didn’t miss a beat."
07-29-2015, 11:24 AM
#59
Scraping the splitter.
The 4-piston setup on the Boss is okay, but the 6-piston setup on the S197 GT500's were woefully inadequate for a car with that power and weight. Seems like they solved it with the GT350.
The brakes appear to be even more stout than the GT3 irons.
S.
07-29-2015, 11:47 AM
#60
Team Owner
I would take a gt350 over a c7z, so no you are not crazy. Ford makes a great car.