Yes, Miatas are fun as hell, a blast to drive excepting the slow acceleration, and reliable. They are NOT as fun as a Corvette or Porsche or AMG, all of which are less reliable. I am an educated man, I'm aware of this and yet haven't bought a Japanese car in years. There are reasons for this. With few exceptions, their styling is pretty hideous, most of them are FWD which I hate, and the few sports cars they make neither handle as well nor look as good nor sound as good as their foreign competition. ;

The Porsche 992s are great but only aficionados can tell them apart from the last few revisions, also have a midpack reliability rating, and are ridiculously expensive for what you get in my view; the 718s handle brilliantly and the Spyder/GT4/GT4RS are amazing cars but still lack the V8 sound we all love; BMW's Z4 looks weird and BMW reliability is crap (check out videos from The Car Wizard for evidence of how reliably they build *their* engines); and the Audi R8 offers roughly the same performance, slower track times, for over 2x the price. The AMG GT is great, but AMG seems to believe that if it doesn't ride like a dump truck at all times it's not sporty, and the roads are choppy where I live, so that's out...plus, that's one of the most-recalled vehicles out there from what I read, so no reliability star (my other ones certainly weren't, I had a CLK55 AMG throw a rod on me and require a new engine). I look at all of these (*including* reliability data from Consumer Reports), and still picked the 'vette over all of them, and I'm glad I did.

We are all grownups here, and anyone with grey matter between their ears knows that the Japanese stuff is quite reliable by comparison, and yet...we are here, not at toyotaforum.com, and there are good and valid reasons for it. If reliability is the one and only entry in the purchaser's equation, then a) he/she should get a Toyota or Lexus, and b) he/she would not be here. Your input is appreciated, but endless belaboring of Toyota's superior reliability really isn't going to change anyone's mind until/unless Toyota releases a mid-engine V8 car with supercar performance levels that looks the part and drives/handles accordingly, this is the only game in town.

 

Yes, and proof will be in the pudding once I get my Z06!

 

My 2C. I am a long time Corvette enthusiast. I have owned a C6, C7, and now a C8. For the most part, my Corvettes have been problem free, and I have loved them all. My only issue is the overall GM approach to service. When I drop off my $80,000.00 Corvette for service at the local Chevy dealer, I need to make sure I have a ride home (or call a cab). When my sister-in-law needs service on her $35,000.00 Lexus, the technician drives over from the dealership 45 miles away, picks up her car and leaves her with an equivalent new, or nearly new loaner. When the car is ready, they simply reverse the process. She doesn't even pay for gas.

Sure, would be nice to get that level of service on my Corvette that cost over double the price...

 

Hey, my Chevy dealership used to give me a Malibu to use, but only while my C5 was under warranty. Lexus gives you a free rental even if your Lexus is 16 years old. You do have to fill up before you bring the rental back. Rentals over here are typically ES 350 sedans - very nice cars.

 

This is precisely why the Tesla Plaid will sell well, despite Tesla's poor build quality and reliability. Don't try to race one!
Sometimes leasing is the best option when reliability is poor, yet performance is high. That way, your vehicles are always covered.

 

Agree wholeheartedly, Lexus' service experience is quite simply the best in the industry. We've been Mercedes owners for over 20 years, and Lexus' service experience just kicks the three local Benz dealerships I've dealt with to the curb. NO comparison.

 

How are they so good?

 

Okaythen, I recommend you stream the movie Pretty Woman. Go the scene where Richard Gere takes Julia Roberts to the dress shop and explains how “sucking up” works. That is how Lexus treats its customers, like every one of them is the most important customer they have.

 

Similar experience by me with Porsche. About 6 months ago I found one I was interested in checking out, 2 hours away at Porsche of a Ocala. Made the run to Ocala to see it in person and test drive it. Ended up buying it. Was SO happy with the entire experience that I told them - despite being 2 hours away and having a Porsche dealership in Jacksonville - I intend to return to Ocala for my service. Their response, “you won’t have to. You call us and we’ll come get it, perform all the service and return it detailed”. It was red carpet service from the time I stepped in the door. Never experienced anything like it.

 

I check this Stickey every day for C8 Problems! Can we please move the unrealated car talk to another section? Thank you

 

Sorry - no problems to report in any fashion with mine yet. Flawless at 2500 miles. I’ll be happy to report back again tomorrow

 

I've had the opposite experience. My wife had a 2012 Lexus GX 460. We knew a lot of the people in the service department where we bought it because that was where my daughter met my now son-in-law. We would take the Lexus in for service and they would have to take a lot of information from us before we could get service started. If we were waiting on a loaner we would have a 20-30 minute wait even with an appointment where we told them we were dropping the SUV off.

We had a 2014 MB E350 AMG Cabriolet that we bought in 2018. It was per-certified. I scheduled my maintenance or repair appointments online. If I needed a car I let them know that when I scheduled the service. I would drive it into the service lane and it would somehow recognize my car - my name would flash up on the screen as I pulled into service. A service advisor would walk out to greet me, take my keys, and send me to the loaner desk to complete the paperwork there. By the time that was finished the service advisor would have my service paperwork ready to be signed. I would sign it, hop in the loaner, and off I would go. When I took the loaner back it had a sticker on the windshield that was scanned and it gave them all of the information they needed to get my car and get me on my way,

Chevrolet? Ha! That level of service is never going to happen. I say that and all I own now are GM vehicles.

 

Sorry if this has been posted her before.

I took delivery the other day and the car was shipped from the factory with a faulty seat control module. The power seat module on the driver side would short out the fuse they told me.

since my dealer was 250 miles away and they didn’t have the part, I needed to drive home and schedule a service call at my local dealer to get it repaired. After sitting in quality control hold for 4 weeks, you would have thought something like that would have been found.

anyone else with this issue?

 

Anybody keeping track of when the last time an actual C8 problem was raised and discussed in here? You know, like the thread's subject promises?
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#1744, 12 above here, Lie2Me posted about how dealers treat owners who require service to address known problems. That's relevant for folks who are facing or concerned about problems discussed here and how disruptive a process the repair will be. Granted, it went a bit afield from there (guilty as charged).

 

One above you is a problem Sounds like it was easily fixed though.

 

I keep checking this thread for issues and what I see are trans issues in a variety of forms. Not confidence inspiring to say the least.

My bigger fear is whatever issues they are not able to do a quick redesign of a part and they learn is inherent to the actual trans design they will say f it and let it run out because the rate is under xx% percent. All fine and good unless you're in that xx% crowd.

I hope for the C8Z which I should receive relatively early as I am on Furman's list since July 2019 and was told I am in the #40 range by Mike, that that trans will have a better % of NO ISSUES.

 

It is my understanding they made some tweaks in the DCT for the 2022 model. My ‘22 C8 is at the dealer. I am hopeful I can get her home on Christmas Eve so she tucked under the tree. Just waiting for a slow down in the much needed rain in California.

 

It sure would have been nice if GM had sourced transmissions from ZF Friedrichshafen. Their 8 speed is an awesome transmission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

It may not be a DCT but it sure shifts fast and smooth.

 

Took delivery of my '22 on 12-15-21, had in my possession all of 45 minutes before returning to dealer. Severe engine misfire at slight acceleration around 1500 RPM. Was told fuel injector error on cylinder #6. Dealer drove for 2 days, couldn't get car to replicate problem, said whatever it was had cleared and car was operating properly. Went back to dealership and asked tech to accompany me on a drive, didn't get 200 yards down the road, same problem with misfire. Dealer ordered replacement fuel injector, out of stock and back-ordered with no information on lead time. Dealer gave me my money back, no issues, have first right of refusal to re-purchase once fuel injectors come available and car is 100% repaired.