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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 05:26 PM
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Dave, these are unassailable points, well articulated. But what is your point? That Toyotas are more reliable? Given - no contest. Yet you have nearly 20,000 posts over many many years on this Corvette forum. Something must have drawn you to overlook the well-articulated shortfalls of the brand. Why are you still a Corvette guy? I'm not attacking you, I promise. Something Chevrolet or GM has done has made you a Corvette guy, and presumably something they are doing today is keeping you a Corvette guy. What is that thing that helps you overlook the quality gap?
I bought a (used) 68 convertible in 1979 and had it for over 21 years. As you can imagine, a car with no computers, manual steering and windows. It did have its share of issues but I always attributed most of them to old age.
The 2001 C5 couple (Z51 and loaded with everything) was my first new car. I did notice that there were already many issues popping up with C5s (on this forum and in Consumer Reports) but I thought I'd give Corvette ownership another try. I thought, hey, I might get lucky. Well, I didn't. As much as I loved the car (not so much the seats) when it did not have some warning light illuminated, it did almost get me killed because its EBCM decided to conk out. I was taking a left turn to enter a highway on-ramp from a a bridge when my car spun around, 270 degrees and right to the edge of a steep slope that led to the highway. Who knows what would've happened had the car gone down the slope. I was lucky.
I certainly understand why people buy modern Corvettes for the first time if they don't peruse the forums and subscribe to Consumer Reports and automotive magazines. Many buy Teslas for the same reasons - performance and looks.
But my goal here is to make people aware of what they are in for, as many feel that the common issues are not indications of future issues.
For a period of time I was a quality manager but was always involved (as a manufacturing engineer) with Quality departments and personnel. It's really sad that GM does not put more resources into quality/reliability.
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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bird67
Dave, these are unassailable points, well articulated. But what is your point? That Toyotas are more reliable? Given - no contest. Yet you have nearly 20,000 posts over many many years on this Corvette forum. Something must have drawn you to overlook the well-articulated shortfalls of the brand. Why are you still a Corvette guy? I'm not attacking you, I promise. Something Chevrolet or GM has done has made you a Corvette guy, and presumably something they are doing today is keeping you a Corvette guy. What is that thing that helps you overlook the quality gap?
I'd actually like to hear what he really likes about the Corvette and General Motors for that matter. And even I have mentioned this before, the #12 on the list is BMW, from 2008 thru 2011 I drove the crap out of an 08 E60 M5 with SMG. In 4 years as hard as I drove this car, I changed the oil and rotated the tires on a regular basis, that was it for OVER 90 thousand miles. Never changed the battery, never replaced the non-repairable transmission, clutches or otherwise, never did the 2g per axle brake job, nothing. Not bad for #12. You just can't always go by consumer report type of data as the benchmark of what's good or bad.


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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 05:40 PM
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I bought a (used) 68 convertible in 1979 and had it for over 21 years. As you can imagine, a car with no computers, manual steering and windows. It did have its share of issues but I always attributed most of them to old age.
The 2001 C5 couple (Z51 and loaded with everything) was my first new car. I did notice that there were already many issues popping up with C5s (on this forum and in Consumer Reports) but I thought I'd give Corvette ownership another try. I thought, hey, I might get lucky. Well, I didn't. As much as I loved the car (not so much the seats) when it did not have some warning light illuminated, it did almost get me killed because its EBCM decided to conk out. I was taking a left turn to enter a highway on-ramp from a a bridge when my car spun around, 270 degrees and right to the edge of a steep slope that led to the highway. Who knows what would've happened had the car gone down the slope. I was lucky.
I certainly understand why people buy modern Corvettes for the first time if they don't peruse the forums and subscribe to Consumer Reports and automotive magazines. Many buy Teslas for the same reasons - performance and looks.
But my goal here is to make people aware of what they are in for, as many feel that the common issues are not indications of future issues.
For a period of time I was a quality manager but was always involved (as a manufacturing engineer) with Quality departments and personnel. It's really sad that GM does not put more resources into quality/reliability.
Okay, you ruined my night. Thanks.

Seriously, though, it's so valid what you are saying. What would you say to this? I'm not terribly brand loyal, I jump around from brand to brand. And other than Toyota, I've never had a brand for which the on-line Forums didn't have terrifying reports, or the cars were awful. I had a Ford phase - 4x4 manual transmission Escapes. Great vehicles! Except every single one rotted (right rear quarter panel). Same with Jeep Wranglers. I had a BMW phase - and spent many nickels and dimes with many zeros added to the end, in all the predicted ways. I've did Volvos - ugh. I did Mercedes - our present GLK 250 is a dream, but that's been the exception. My favorite daily vehicle ever was a VW Touareg TDI, but we know what happened with THAT. Actually, VWs have a terrible reliability rating and on-line Forum complaints but I've had nothing but luck. I have an Audi A7 and it's fantastic. But reading online you'd have to be INSANE to buy an Audi!

So what's a guy who wants a fun car to do? They're all nightmares, except Toyota - and its fun convertible is a BMW.
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I'd actually like to hear what he really likes about the Corvette and General Motors for that matter. And even I have mentioned this before, the #12 on the list is BMW, from 2008 thru 2011 I drove the crap out of an 08 E60 M5 with SMG. In 4 years as hard as I drove this car, I changed the oil and rotated the tires on a regular basis, that was it for OVER 90 thousand miles. Never changed the battery, never replaced the non-repairable transmission, clutches or otherwise, never did the 2g per axle brake job, nothing. Not bad for #12. You just can't always go by consumer report type of data as the benchmark of what's good or bad.
CA3LT, what I take from what Dave says and others say is that with GM, it's not that every car they produce will suck - it's that it's a needless crapshoot whether YOURS will suck. And I have to say, as someone sitting at 3000 with a TPW of 1/17/22 (obviously about to be pushed back, probably waaaaay back), I'm not immune to the fright stories. Like you I've had bad experiences with "great" cars and great experiences with "bad" cars. Except Toyota, like Dave says - I've never had a bad one. Except they are all snoozefests to drive.
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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 05:50 PM
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I'd actually like to hear what he really likes about the Corvette and General Motors for that matter. And even I have mentioned this before, the #12 on the list is BMW, from 2008 thru 2011 I drove the crap out of an 08 E60 M5 with SMG. In 4 years as hard as I drove this car, I changed the oil and rotated the tires on a regular basis, that was it for OVER 90 thousand miles. Never changed the battery, never replaced the non-repairable transmission, clutches or otherwise, never did the 2g per axle brake job, nothing. Not bad for #12. You just can't always go by consumer report type of data as the benchmark of what's good or bad.
Okay, that's a data point of one - doesn't mean much, really.
Many people love Jeeps and swear that their Jeeps are reliable. I'm sure some are for a period of time but overall, they are crap when it comes to reliability/quality.
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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 05:58 PM
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Okay, you ruined my night. Thanks.

Seriously, though, it's so valid what you are saying. What would you say to this? I'm not terribly brand loyal, I jump around from brand to brand. And other than Toyota, I've never had a brand for which the on-line Forums didn't have terrifying reports, or the cars were awful. I had a Ford phase - 4x4 manual transmission Escapes. Great vehicles! Except every single one rotted (right rear quarter panel). Same with Jeep Wranglers. I had a BMW phase - and spent many nickels and dimes with many zeros added to the end, in all the predicted ways. I've did Volvos - ugh. I did Mercedes - our present GLK 250 is a dream, but that's been the exception. My favorite daily vehicle ever was a VW Touareg TDI, but we know what happened with THAT. Actually, VWs have a terrible reliability rating and on-line Forum complaints but I've had nothing but luck. I have an Audi A7 and it's fantastic. But reading online you'd have to be INSANE to buy an Audi!

So what's a guy who wants a fun car to do? They're all nightmares, except Toyota - and its fun convertible is a BMW.
Since my wife has a 2006 Lexus RX400h (which we bought new in 2005), I became a moderator in a big Lexus forum. Ours hasn't had more than a couple of very minor issues in over 16.5 years. In fact, Lexus replaced our dash, free of charge because if got a bit soft after being exposed to the sun every day for 10 years. Most of what I see in the forum is related to how to do things. Those vehicles that need replacement parts are typically from the 1990 - 2000 era and have 200,000+ miles on them. It's actually very boring for a moderator.

But believe it or not, a Mazda MX5 is alot of fun to drive. Edelbrock makes a supercharger that comes with a 3-year powertrain warranty. The 2300 lb 2016-2018 MX5 will put down 200 wheel horsepower and it is smog legal in CA.
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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 06:30 PM
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But believe it or not, a Mazda MX5 is alot of fun to drive. Edelbrock makes a supercharger that comes with a 3-year powertrain warranty. The 2300 lb 2016-2018 MX5 will put down 200 wheel horsepower and it is smog legal in CA.
I have driven the Fiat version, I liked it OK but it felt insunstantial....very good looking design though.
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Old Dec 14, 2021 | 06:57 PM
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I would have Ohlin or similar coilovers installed before lowering the car.
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C8 Corvette Problems?
Turns out they are problem-free so we have run out of things to talk about.
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I don’t understand if the car is so bad why is so much attention paid to it? Blogs have a tendency to amplify the negative. Granted it’s been a rocky transition to the C8 however it appears to be well received by car magazines, reporters and drivers. Did I forget all those on this thread and those who are ordering and or waiting for their car?
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Originally Posted by Bird67
Turns out they are problem-free so we have run out of things to talk about.
They are certainly problem free compared to a 1968 corvette. Anyone comparing a new car like the corvette to a Toyota with a single metric of 'quality' and expecting the corvette to win are not aware of the marketplace in general.
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I don’t understand if the car is so bad why is so much attention paid to it? Blogs have a tendency to amplify the negative. Granted it’s been a rocky transition to the C8 however it appears to be well received by car magazines, reporters and drivers. Did I forget all those on this thread and those who are ordering and or waiting for their car?
Because the car has proven to be both spectacular and troublesome. It ain't all bad and it ain't all good. That is the nature of the beast. There are threads here for owners and would-be buyers to discuss each.
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Originally Posted by Jimp94605
I don’t understand if the car is so bad why is so much attention paid to it? Blogs have a tendency to amplify the negative. Granted it’s been a rocky transition to the C8 however it appears to be well received by car magazines, reporters and drivers. Did I forget all those on this thread and those who are ordering and or waiting for their car?
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Because the car has proven to be both spectacular and troublesome. It ain't all bad and it ain't all good. That is the nature of the beast. There are threads here for owners and would-be buyers to discuss each.
Wow you can either get it all good or all bad, man I don't like the sound of that as I am getting close to my allocation. For people that got the C8. If you are buying it all over again, would you buy it again?
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Wow you can either get it all good or all bad, man I don't like the sound of that as I am getting close to my allocation. For people that got the C8. If you are buying it all over again, would you buy it again?
"If you are buying it all over again, would you buy it again?"
Easy question - yes of course.
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Wow you can either get it all good or all bad, man I don't like the sound of that as I am getting close to my allocation. For people that got the C8. If you are buying it all over again, would you buy it again?
Yes
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Wow you can either get it all good or all bad, man I don't like the sound of that as I am getting close to my allocation. For people that got the C8. If you are buying it all over again, would you buy it again?
In a heartbeat....


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Originally Posted by rkrupka
"If you are buying it all over again, would you buy it again?"
Easy question - yes of course.
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Yes
The car is just a lot of fun to drive and it's great huh?

For the C8 problems, one trip should fix it right? I can take it if it's 1,2 trips. Does some problems kept coming back? (like DCT)
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In a heartbeat....

looking good man! I am getting low profile spoiler too but with body color. I really like the side mirrors with 2 colors so I am not going to spend 100 bucks to get side mirrow and spoiler carbon flash, but the spoiler with body color, it just doesn't pop!
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The car is just a lot of fun to drive and it's great huh?

For the C8 problems, one trip should fix it right? I can take it if it's 1,2 trips. Does some problems kept coming back? (like DCT)
I haven't had any significant problems but it can be dealer roulette when you do.
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