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Old Jul 18, 2022 | 04:16 PM
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Has anyone tried Eibach's swaybars on their C8? Happy to hear feedback on aFe's while we're at it!

I'm thinking about adding just a rear bar to tighten things up a bit. Compared to the C7 Z51, Chevy seems to have gone a bit conservative on the C8 Z51's suspension tuning being their first mid-engine. Thoughts/feedback/discussion?

https://eibach.com/us/2909/E40-23-03...-anti-roll-kit

https://afepower.com/afe-power-440-4...l-sway-bar-set

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"Swaybars" are really a bit of a kludge... what they do is add effective spring-rate under cornering... the theory being soft springs can be used for smooth ride in a straight line, and the "Swaybar" only comes into play when you turn... somewhat correct when you are talking about your father's Oldsmobile...actually a pretty cheap and clever idea.

(BTW the term "Swaybar" falls into the same Marketing Mumbo Jumbo category as calling Dampers "Shock Absorbers"...)

Theoretically, in a racing application, if the main spring rates are set perfectly, a "Sway Bar" is unnecessary, but in the real world, Sway Bars are useful to fine-tune the spring rate for a given car, and turn...

Remember, under static load (e.g. at the apex)...the spring rate (main + swaybar) determines how the weight of the car is distributed between the tires... if the spring rate is biased to the front, the car will tend to under-steer, if to the back, it will tend to oversteer as you are asking one end of the car to handle more than it's proper share of the cornering load.... this is why "adding rear bar" tends to correct understeer or cause oversteer.

Ideally, the main springs should be about 90% right, and the Sway Bars allow the +/- 10% change required to hit the target.

Now don't forget that Dampers ("Shocks") also enter in by managing effective spring rate during "Transients"... these occur when weight is being transferred from one steady state to another... this occurs as brakes are applied and released, steering input is changes and/or throttle is applied... at any point in a turn the instantaneous spring rate is the sum of these three elements, and they change constantly throughout the turn...

Bottom line, if all three of these elements are not tuned to work in concert, the car can end up handling like crap...

The engineers at Porsche, Corvette etc, really sweat this stuff, so if you are modifying the suspension, do a complete package developed by a good tuning shop that is designed for your intended use.
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I installed the afe bars and have not had a chance to evaluate them on the track. Installing the front bar is a pain in the ***.


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Did you have to loosen the front cradle to change that bar?
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Old Jul 21, 2022 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
Did you have to loosen the front cradle to change that bar?
For the front bar, yes.
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Old Jul 21, 2022 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
Did you have to loosen the front cradle to change that bar?
yes. There is not enough room to snake the sway bar through the front end area without dropping the subframe.
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aFe posted a great video along with written instructions:
https://afepower.com/media/catalog/p...1008-l_ins.pdf

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Eibach's ratings per email with technical support:
Stock rate = 203 lbs/in (rear)
Eibach rate = 421 lbs/in (1st hole) / 510 lbs/in (2nd hole)

aFe's rating chart:



Looking at the two stock rates, I suspect Eibach is measuring the non-Z51 rear swaybar while aFe is listed as Z51. So from this we can assume:
Non-Z51 rear swaybar: 203 lbs/in
Z51 rear swaybar: 300 lbs/in
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Interesting those rates @ 100% plus would make some difference for sure.
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I just ordered the Eibach rear bar and will report back with how it feels once it arrives and I install it.
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Originally Posted by Kracka
I just ordered the Eibach rear bar and will report back with how it feels once it arrives and I install it.
Shipped same-day; FedEx ETA Monday. I'll plan for install next weekend.
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Sway bars require extensive testing to quantify a better experience.

Too stiff and you’re left with a car that can’t work with it’s own suspension geometry, and the contact patch is lessened = less grip and less mph.

if the right balance is struck, you won’t give up contact patch but you’ll have superior rotation.

I personally won’t buy anything sway bar related unless they put the car on a track with a 3rd party testing to show us better lap times.

Sway bars are obviously used to balance neutrality/oversteer/understeer, but they give up contact patch usually to do so.
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The stock bars leave a lot to be desired, a LoT
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
The stock bars leave a lot to be desired, a LoT
YUP!

The C7 Z51 bars were ok, though. I actually tried the Hotchkis C7 swaybars and wasn't impressed so went back to C7 Z51 mag bars.
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We stock sway bars

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Is that with or without aftermarket bars?
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
Is that with or without aftermarket bars?
That has to be without.
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Originally Posted by SPOHN
That has to be without.
stock sway bars
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Eibach bars say without nose lift. Anyone know of bars that can be used with nose lift?
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
Eibach bars say without nose lift. Anyone know of bars that can be used with nose lift?
Eibach shows the bars as fitting both base & Z51 models w/lift.

My rear bar showed up yesterday and I will say its very nice. Well-packaged, beefy black billet mounts, heavy-duty black bushings, and a tube of grease. Eibach's included instructions are detailed in full color as well.
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The install process was straight forward and easy. I backed the car up onto a set of ramps. The bar is set to the "soft" setting as pictured below.

Tools needed include:
  • 7mm socket
  • 8mm socket
  • 15mm socket
  • 18mm ratcheting wrench









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