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New crate engine is now a steam engine....bad problem...
Burning Brakes
Joined: Aug 2002
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From: Scottsboro Alabama
Since it seems everyone here has been entertained for days (and probably for weeks to come) by MsVetteMans misfortune, I think we should all pitch in and buy Mississippi one of these......http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/434_685.asp
This one should pin his ears back!
This one should pin his ears back!
Burning Brakes
Joined: Sep 2004
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From: Ft.Worth Texas
Well, this is the first motor with one hour on it with that much carbon on the pistons and valves I have ever seen. The cyl.bores do not look new. The coolant passages have crud in them like the block was not vatted. The deck surfaces show no sign of being trued. It doesn't even look like they cleaned it well before putting on the head. I wouldn't buy a lawnmower motor from these guys. The dyno sheet they sent is nothing more than a "typical" result and not an actual test of any of their motors I imagine. Going to small claims court is a joke. You would be only be signing up to play with the big boys. First, the court is held in their state and county. If you were to win they would just appeal to a higher court where you had better have an attorney.....they will. Are you willing to spend 5-10K chasing $2400? (Ask me how I know)
Your best bet is have a pro inspect it and document well. Call your credit card co. Let Blueprint send a truck for the dead motor and haul it off. Prepair yourself to defend a bad credit report. Fair? Hell no, but many things in life are not fair. Good luck.
Last edited by David Ey; Mar 8, 2006 at 10:41 PM.
Safety Car
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From: San Diego CA
Originally Posted by Older Than Dirt
Since it seems everyone here has been entertained for days (and probably for weeks to come) by MsVetteMans misfortune, I think we should all pitch in and buy Mississippi one of these......http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/434_685.asp
This one should pin his ears back!
This one should pin his ears back!
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
Joined: Jan 2005
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From: Madison Ms
Originally Posted by Older Than Dirt
Since it seems everyone here has been entertained for days (and probably for weeks to come) by MsVetteMans misfortune, I think we should all pitch in and buy Mississippi one of these......http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/434_685.asp
This one should pin his ears back!
This one should pin his ears back!
That thing would shake every bolt on my car loose! Blow my rear end up, and disenagrate my tranny!! 
Thanks, but I would have to spend another 9G's just preparing my vette to accept that motor.
Race Director
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From: Who says "Nothing is impossible" ? I've been doing nothing for years.
Originally Posted by Kalway
I'd want to know what compression it has and if it'll run on pump gas with that hp... I still like the world products motown 454 that does 610hp on 91 octane.
To answer your question about the compression ratio I would imagine to get 685HP out of a 434 you need about 13-14:1 CR. That means that is a race motor, forget aobut putting that in your Vette. There is a limit to the small blocks, power normally asperated, before it becomes too much to drive on the street.
IMHO that limit is right around the 600HP mark with either a 427ci and up small block. It is easy to make much more than that but you can't put it in your StingRay and drive it on the street
Burning Brakes
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From: Scottsboro Alabama
Ok, if that one isn't streetable, how about this one?
http://www.shafiroff.com/ultrastreet/540_675_engine.asp
http://www.shafiroff.com/ultrastreet/540_675_engine.asp
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Safety Car
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From: San Diego CA
Originally Posted by MotorHead
First I would buy a motor from that shop ( Shafiroff ) and I do beleive that they dyno every motor and will send you a dyno sheet of your actual motor. The price reflects a more realistic value of what a real HP motor would cost. You get what you pay for.
To answer your question about the compression ratio I would imagine to get 685HP out of a 434 you need about 13-14:1 CR. That means that is a race motor, forget aobut putting that in your Vette. There is a limit to the small blocks, power normally asperated, before it becomes too much to drive on the street.
IMHO that limit is right around the 600HP mark with either a 427ci and up small block. It is easy to make much more than that but you can't put it in your StingRay and drive it on the street
To answer your question about the compression ratio I would imagine to get 685HP out of a 434 you need about 13-14:1 CR. That means that is a race motor, forget aobut putting that in your Vette. There is a limit to the small blocks, power normally asperated, before it becomes too much to drive on the street.
IMHO that limit is right around the 600HP mark with either a 427ci and up small block. It is easy to make much more than that but you can't put it in your StingRay and drive it on the street
Melting Slicks
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From: Montreal Qc.
I'm thinking that regardless of whether Clarence pulls through with a refund or replacement that anyone who has seen the last couple pages of this thread will NOT be buying anything from Marshall/Blueprint anytime soon......
Team Owner
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From: Massillon,Ohio USA
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Originally Posted by Star79
I'm thinking that regardless of whether Clarence pulls through with a refund or replacement that anyone who has seen the last couple pages of this thread will NOT be buying anything from Marshall/Blueprint anytime soon......
...wonder if they are a "supporting" member??? ...guess we'll see how much MsVetteMan gets "supported"
Race Director
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From their web site:
"Today, Marshall Engines has nearly 200 production, office, and sales personnel. Production capacity in excess of 100 engines per day keeps products flowing to warehouses covering a market from the Rockies to the Atlantic and from Mexico to Canada."
Maybe "haste" makes "waste"....not exactly a custom engine shop...
"Today, Marshall Engines has nearly 200 production, office, and sales personnel. Production capacity in excess of 100 engines per day keeps products flowing to warehouses covering a market from the Rockies to the Atlantic and from Mexico to Canada."
Maybe "haste" makes "waste"....not exactly a custom engine shop...
Team Owner
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From: Massillon,Ohio USA
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11-'12
Originally Posted by rihwoods
From their web site:
"Today, Marshall Engines has nearly 200 production, office, and sales personnel. Production capacity in excess of 100 engines per day keeps products flowing to warehouses covering a market from the Rockies to the Atlantic and from Mexico to Canada."
Maybe "haste" makes "waste"....not exactly a custom engine shop...
"Today, Marshall Engines has nearly 200 production, office, and sales personnel. Production capacity in excess of 100 engines per day keeps products flowing to warehouses covering a market from the Rockies to the Atlantic and from Mexico to Canada."
Maybe "haste" makes "waste"....not exactly a custom engine shop...
Racer
Joined: Jun 2005
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From: Lavonia Georgia
Originally Posted by jackson
Most ... not all ... but most aftermarket pistons are very lightly stamped in top of head with size ... i.e. "STD" or "0.030" ... etc. However, for many pistons, if it is NOT stamped ... "STD" is implied. AFAIK, only the more expensive true race pistons have no stamping in top at all ... clearly, KB hypers are not in that class.
I thought they would have a .030 on the top of the crown too, but they did not. Since I hadn't read this part of the post yet, I didn't pay that much attention to where I did find it, but it was either on the flat part of the skirt near the end of the wrist pins or it was on the bottom of the piston, but it was there and not on the top like you'd think.
Drifting
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From: New Baden Illinois
MsVetteMan,
I am an attorney, albeit in Illinois. If you have any questions about some of the legal options on this thing, please let me know. Depending on some of the facts that have yet to be determined (i.e., actual bore size, honing, etc.), you may have a cause of action for various types of fraud, which will give you not only your money back, but also attorney's fees, costs, and, in some cases, punitive damages.
I am an attorney, albeit in Illinois. If you have any questions about some of the legal options on this thing, please let me know. Depending on some of the facts that have yet to be determined (i.e., actual bore size, honing, etc.), you may have a cause of action for various types of fraud, which will give you not only your money back, but also attorney's fees, costs, and, in some cases, punitive damages.
Drifting
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From: staten island ny
Originally Posted by Paul Borowski
...wonder how "big" their "Claims Office" is???
ESU
Safety Car
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From: Memphis
I stumbled into this thread a week ago (I normally hang out in the C5 and Off Topic sections) and have been addicted to this thread!
MsVetteMan, it's a shame about all of your time and hard work spent putting in a faulty motor. Hopefully the engine company comes through and at least replaces the engine with a quality product.
MsVetteMan, it's a shame about all of your time and hard work spent putting in a faulty motor. Hopefully the engine company comes through and at least replaces the engine with a quality product.