New crate engine is now a steam engine....bad problem...
Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh NC
I feel for you. I just went through engine replacement in my jeep and I would be devestated if my results were like this after all the time I put in. best of luck! I hope they make this right. 
Melting Slicks
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From: Where are the Smoky Mountain Cruisers? Not Correctly Restored Stingray
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Got a phone number?
Melting Slicks
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From: Beverly Massachusetts
well i posted a link to this thread on a second gen camaro forum, pro-touring forum and a jeep forum that i regularly visit. 
that might help give this thread a little more attention 
that might help give this thread a little more attention
Team Owner
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From: NJ
Originally Posted by Gordonm
I took apart my engine with 5K hard miles and you can see the cross hatch on the walls. This looks like crap. I would say you definitly have a case against them here. This is poor workmanship!Hell, I've taken engines apart with 30k hard miles on them that you can still see lots of healthy cross hatch in. - My opinion from the pics is that this is a used but lightly freshened shortblock. - "Reconditioned" at best, not rebuilt.
Melting Slicks
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From: Aurora Ontario
Originally Posted by Chevy Guy
Hell, I've taken engines apart with 30k hard miles on them that you can still see lots of healthy cross hatch in. - My opinion from the pics is that this is a used but lightly freshened shortblock. - "Reconditioned" at best, not rebuilt.
Thats an interesting thought....reconditioned!!! What if the engine was a return??? Resold???
Jim
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There is one thing that stands out in my mind that in my opinion is just not right. I don't care whether it was .030" or .040" over, that doesn't matter.
When they say "Dyno tested – and shipped with results" to me that says they build my engine and put it on a dyno and I get a printout of how much power it makes. This does not mean, we dynoed one and built all the rest the same and you get the printout of the one we actually dynoed.
It also reassures me that this motor is properly broken in and there is a good chance it won't blow up when I install it. If in fact Msvetteman's motor was run on a dyno then the problem he now has would not be happening. He would, instedd, be driving around in his Vette with a smile on his face instead of running around town trying to find someone that can tell him why his motor grenaded.
Any company using "tricky" wording or just downright being deceptive does not get my business.
When they say "Dyno tested – and shipped with results" to me that says they build my engine and put it on a dyno and I get a printout of how much power it makes. This does not mean, we dynoed one and built all the rest the same and you get the printout of the one we actually dynoed.
It also reassures me that this motor is properly broken in and there is a good chance it won't blow up when I install it. If in fact Msvetteman's motor was run on a dyno then the problem he now has would not be happening. He would, instedd, be driving around in his Vette with a smile on his face instead of running around town trying to find someone that can tell him why his motor grenaded.
Any company using "tricky" wording or just downright being deceptive does not get my business.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Scottsboro Alabama
"Yo Mississippi", I see "warden George" finally released you from forum detention. Are you on parole? Is he making you wear one of those GPS tracking ankle bracelets?
Seriously, if you do get a refund why not consider a stroker "roller" short block? All you would have to do then is choose a set of heads, cam, intake, lifters and probably timing chain set. You should easily get 450+hp, just right to pin your ears back.
Seriously, if you do get a refund why not consider a stroker "roller" short block? All you would have to do then is choose a set of heads, cam, intake, lifters and probably timing chain set. You should easily get 450+hp, just right to pin your ears back.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Madison Ms
Well.....if it's up to me, they either give me an upgrade to a 383 shipped from Marshall, and dynoed. Period. Or they can refund my money, and I'll get my local shop to build the 383. Only problem is, I could end up waiting 2 months to get it built locally.
383 for my troubles is not asking much......!!
We shall see. They should have the motor by this Monday, and I would imagine will check it out quickly.
Dirt: I'm on double secret probation. I had a prior record. Previous convictions in the OT forum, and the C3 for sale forum. I've chilled a bit since those events.
383 for my troubles is not asking much......!!
We shall see. They should have the motor by this Monday, and I would imagine will check it out quickly.
Dirt: I'm on double secret probation. I had a prior record. Previous convictions in the OT forum, and the C3 for sale forum. I've chilled a bit since those events.
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Originally Posted by MotorHead
There is one thing that stands out in my mind that in my opinion is just not right. I don't care whether it was .030" or .040" over, that doesn't matter.
When they say "Dyno tested – and shipped with results" to me that says they build my engine and put it on a dyno and I get a printout of how much power it makes. This does not mean, we dynoed one and built all the rest the same and you get the printout of the one we actually dynoed.
It also reassures me that this motor is properly broken in and there is a good chance it won't blow up when I install it. If in fact Msvetteman's motor was run on a dyno then the problem he now has would not be happening. He would, instedd, be driving around in his Vette with a smile on his face instead of running around town trying to find someone that can tell him why his motor grenaded.
Any company using "tricky" wording or just downright being deceptive does not get my business.
When they say "Dyno tested – and shipped with results" to me that says they build my engine and put it on a dyno and I get a printout of how much power it makes. This does not mean, we dynoed one and built all the rest the same and you get the printout of the one we actually dynoed.
It also reassures me that this motor is properly broken in and there is a good chance it won't blow up when I install it. If in fact Msvetteman's motor was run on a dyno then the problem he now has would not be happening. He would, instedd, be driving around in his Vette with a smile on his face instead of running around town trying to find someone that can tell him why his motor grenaded.
Any company using "tricky" wording or just downright being deceptive does not get my business.
MsVetteMan,
I agree with the 383 or full credit. You ended up with a junk motor.
Jeff
Burning Brakes
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From: Scottsboro Alabama
Not trying to be pessimistic about your situation but I bet all they offer you is a replacement engine (not a upgrade), that's why I would demand a refund. With an assembled GM shortblock you could choose what heads and cam you like. You can assemble these parts yourself. If you're unsure about adjusting the valvetrain, just take it to your mechanic for that. If you want it dynoed drive it there and watch them while they do it. At least you will know for sure what you've got for a motor. Btw, don't be afraid of the hypereutetic pistons, nothing wrong with the ones GM uses. You're already halfway there being an ace mechanic!! Good luck! 
BTW, if you get drunk and decide to buy a Shafiroff crate I'm gonna drive over and check it out!!.......OK?
BTW, if you get drunk and decide to buy a Shafiroff crate I'm gonna drive over and check it out!!.......OK?
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From: Springhill Kansas
Originally Posted by Older Than Dirt
Not trying to be pessimistic about your situation but I bet all they offer you is a replacement engine (not a upgrade), that's why I would demand a refund. With an assembled GM shortblock you could choose what heads and cam you like. You can assemble these parts yourself. If you're unsure about adjusting the valvetrain, just take it to your mechanic for that. If you want it dynoed drive it there and watch them while they do it. At least you will know for sure what you've got for a motor. Btw, don't be afraid of the hypereutetic pistons, nothing wrong with the ones GM uses. You're already halfway there being an ace mechanic!! Good luck!
Doubt they offer you an upgrade.
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From: NJ
Originally Posted by JRD77VET
Perhaps what they consider "putting it on a dyno" is to run it long enough to make sure it works.
No, what these type of places do is put ONE together, dyno it and then build all the others in its image, the original dyno test on the original motor (if there even was one) is what they consider "dyno tested". There is no way these high volume places that ship from all over the country dyno anything. Its a good 2-4 hour process to dyno an engine.
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From: Springhill Kansas
Originally Posted by Chevy Guy
No, what these type of places do is put ONE together, dyno it and then build all the others in its image, the original dyno test on the original motor (if there even was one) is what they consider "dyno tested". There is no way these high volume places that ship from all over the country dyno anything. Its a good 2-4 hour process to dyno an engine.
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Don't hold your breath on the upgrade. You'll be lucky to break even after all of this. You should mention to Marshall how much money you are saving them by not having the car at a repair shop. Most aftermarket engines company's pay a maximum of $50 per hour labor for warranty repairs. Also, they pay "book" time, not actual time to R&R the motor. Therefore, you can look up the labor time in a Chiltons manual (which would be close) or equiv and tell them axactly how much you're saving them. $600 would be 12 hours @ $50 per hour.
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From: Springhill Kansas
Originally Posted by sperkins
Don't hold your breath on the upgrade. You'll be lucky to break even after all of this. You should mention to Marshall how much money you are saving them by not having the car at a repair shop. Most aftermarket engines company's pay a maximum of $50 per hour labor for warranty repairs. Also, they pay "book" time, not actual time to R&R the motor. Therefore, you can look up the labor time in a Chiltons manual (which would be close) or equiv and tell them axactly how much you're saving them. $600 would be 12 hours @ $50 per hour.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Madison Ms
Originally Posted by Chevy Guy
No, what these type of places do is put ONE together, dyno it and then build all the others in its image, the original dyno test on the original motor (if there even was one) is what they consider "dyno tested". There is no way these high volume places that ship from all over the country dyno anything. Its a good 2-4 hour process to dyno an engine.
And dang right their advertising is deceptive, vague, and misleading.
Burning Brakes
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From: Ft.Worth Texas
Well, there wasn't a tow bill. All these folks owe him is a refund or another motor of the same he purchased and pay the freight to send the new one. He wasn't required to have all the testing done....just send the broken one back. Granted, I likely would have done the same as he did to protect myself. I do think their intent in their advertizing is to make you believe the motor they send to you has been run on a dyno. The same statement is in the NAPA ad. and I bet NAPA ,a super, quality company thinks each and every motor has been tested. btw..the keith black website does not list a 4.030 piston. Hard to understand why they call these motors 355's.