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You can tell the state of charge by measuring the no load voltage on the battery terminals. 12.0 volts and lower, discharged, charge your battery up overnight. 12.9 volts and higher, fully charged and linear in between. During cranking, the battery terminal voltage should not fall below 9.0 volts or you have poor battery cable connection, discharged battery, or a battery that is at the end of its life.
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From: panama panama
You can tell the state of charge by measuring the no load voltage on the battery terminals. 12.0 volts and lower, discharged, charge your battery up overnight. 12.9 volts and higher, fully charged and linear in between. During cranking, the battery terminal voltage should not fall below 9.0 volts or you have poor battery cable connection, discharged battery, or a battery that is at the end of its life.
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Here are the news. on my problem.
I never did the voltage test on the battery. (stupid me) I take out the starter motor. toke the motor to a shop. and they test the motor in front of me.
and guest what. the starter motor work just find. is ok motor.
so Like I say before. I did a test light on the starter motor. my brother turn the key. and I get light on so I know the key most be working good . and Iam getting power there
I have to do the voltage test.
one thing I am not sure now. Dit I connect the key cable to the "S" terminal on solenoid. or to the "R" terminal..
so couple of think I will have to check now. correct connection and battery voltage under load.
I never did the voltage test on the battery. (stupid me) I take out the starter motor. toke the motor to a shop. and they test the motor in front of me.
and guest what. the starter motor work just find. is ok motor.
so Like I say before. I did a test light on the starter motor. my brother turn the key. and I get light on so I know the key most be working good . and Iam getting power there
I have to do the voltage test.
one thing I am not sure now. Dit I connect the key cable to the "S" terminal on solenoid. or to the "R" terminal..
so couple of think I will have to check now. correct connection and battery voltage under load.
Last edited by hitmanpty; Dec 6, 2011 at 12:13 PM.
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From: panama panama
I have a analogo voltimeter at home. dont really know how to use this thing. it have a *** that you turn and select differents measurements.
dont know how to test the battery for voltage. or charge.
can someone explane in a very simple way this prosedure.
dont know how to test the battery for voltage. or charge.
can someone explane in a very simple way this prosedure.
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You might want to post a picture of it so we can see the controls.
Most volt/ohm meters will have a voltage setting marked by a V or the word Volt and a graphic showing a solid line above a dashed line. Set your dial there.
You will have two jacks where you plug in the probe wires. The black one is ground---connect it to the negative post of your battery or a chassis ground. The red one is for the voltage you are measuring, just connect it to whatever you want to probe.
Most volt/ohm meters will have a voltage setting marked by a V or the word Volt and a graphic showing a solid line above a dashed line. Set your dial there.
You will have two jacks where you plug in the probe wires. The black one is ground---connect it to the negative post of your battery or a chassis ground. The red one is for the voltage you are measuring, just connect it to whatever you want to probe.
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Ok.
So you want the DCV section...what does it say under the 500, I can't make it out?
I think you want the 50 setting.
Put the black wire into the jack marked "-" & connect it to the negative battery terminal or chassis ground.
Put the red wire into the + terminal & use it to probe the voltage.
If the scale max's out choose a higher voltage setting, if it's unreadably low try a lower setting.
So you want the DCV section...what does it say under the 500, I can't make it out?
I think you want the 50 setting.
Put the black wire into the jack marked "-" & connect it to the negative battery terminal or chassis ground.
Put the red wire into the + terminal & use it to probe the voltage.
If the scale max's out choose a higher voltage setting, if it's unreadably low try a lower setting.
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From: panama panama
Ok.
So you want the DCV section...what does it say under the 500, I can't make it out?
I think you want the 50 setting.
Put the black wire into the jack marked "-" & connect it to the negative battery terminal or chassis ground.
Put the red wire into the + terminal & use it to probe the voltage.
If the scale max's out choose a higher voltage setting, if it's unreadably low try a lower setting.
So you want the DCV section...what does it say under the 500, I can't make it out?
I think you want the 50 setting.
Put the black wire into the jack marked "-" & connect it to the negative battery terminal or chassis ground.
Put the red wire into the + terminal & use it to probe the voltage.
If the scale max's out choose a higher voltage setting, if it's unreadably low try a lower setting.
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Battery.......Approximate........Average Cell
Voltage.....State-of-charge...Specific Gravity
12.66_________100%___________1.265
12.45__________75%___________1.225
12.24__________50%___________1.190
12.06__________25%___________1.155
11.89___________0%___________1.120
from:
http://www.type2.com/library/electrip/batfaq.htm
Wikipedia says 2.1v/cell * 6 cells =12.6v for a lead acid battery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity)
Voltage.....State-of-charge...Specific Gravity
12.66_________100%___________1.265
12.45__________75%___________1.225
12.24__________50%___________1.190
12.06__________25%___________1.155
11.89___________0%___________1.120
from:
http://www.type2.com/library/electrip/batfaq.htm
Wikipedia says 2.1v/cell * 6 cells =12.6v for a lead acid battery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity)
Last edited by 3D87C4; Dec 6, 2011 at 04:30 PM.
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From: panama panama
Battery.......Approximate........Average Cell
Voltage.....State-of-charge...Specific Gravity
12.66_________100%___________1.265
12.45__________75%___________1.225
12.24__________50%___________1.190
12.06__________25%___________1.155
11.89___________0%___________1.120
from:
http://www.type2.com/library/electrip/batfaq.htm
Wikipedia says 2.1v/cell * 6 cells =12.6v for a lead acid battery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity)
Voltage.....State-of-charge...Specific Gravity
12.66_________100%___________1.265
12.45__________75%___________1.225
12.24__________50%___________1.190
12.06__________25%___________1.155
11.89___________0%___________1.120
from:
http://www.type2.com/library/electrip/batfaq.htm
Wikipedia says 2.1v/cell * 6 cells =12.6v for a lead acid battery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(electricity)
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Buy a digital multimeter, they are inexpensive and your project surely has plenty of reasons to buy one.
Watch and learn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3Wj7UD-_s
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From: panama panama
Buy a digital multimeter, they are inexpensive and your project surely has plenty of reasons to buy one.
Watch and learn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW3Wj7UD-_s
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Update on the no start problem.
Finaly the starter motor work
the problem was . some loose wire. and some wire need to be more tight. the old solenoid. was bad. so the one I get was ok.
I crack the car and the starter motor star working very good. but the car dont start. I crank the key a couple of time. the engine turn. but no start.
I stop. and took a look at the engine. just to find out that the main drive belt is not in place..
Parently. when the motor turn the beld when out of track.
how can this happend'????. after a couple of minutes I notes the air pump pulley was loose. and when I touch the thing it just drop in my hand.
look like the air pump stock and the pulley shaft. broke.
SO NOW i NEED a air pump eliminator kit.
very expensive stuff. the best price I can find is $150
I will open a new thread to get some more informaion about this kit from members
Finaly the starter motor work
the problem was . some loose wire. and some wire need to be more tight. the old solenoid. was bad. so the one I get was ok.
I crack the car and the starter motor star working very good. but the car dont start. I crank the key a couple of time. the engine turn. but no start.
I stop. and took a look at the engine. just to find out that the main drive belt is not in place..
Parently. when the motor turn the beld when out of track.
how can this happend'????. after a couple of minutes I notes the air pump pulley was loose. and when I touch the thing it just drop in my hand.
look like the air pump stock and the pulley shaft. broke.
SO NOW i NEED a air pump eliminator kit.
very expensive stuff. the best price I can find is $150
I will open a new thread to get some more informaion about this kit from members
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From: panama panama
new update on my no start problem
finaly yesterday I get my air pump eliminator kit. It took about 30 days, to get here. aparentely. my miami shipping agency. mist place my package. will try to post pic of that later tomorrow
any way. I instal the kit today. and inmediately set out to start the car.
first time the starter motor crank ok. the motor sound like is going to start, but no start of the engine first time. . gust after so long need a second crank.
gust what. second time turn key. nothing from the starter motor. again.
I inmediately did a light test to the starter. and I get good current when key turn.
so here is the problem again
only this time. the first time the starter motor work ok. secont time nothing. not even a sound from the solenoid.
Iam beganing to think the starter motor have some kind of a intermitent. problem.
any advice or sugestion welcome.
I think tomorrow I will drop the starter again and open sent itto rebuild.
finaly yesterday I get my air pump eliminator kit. It took about 30 days, to get here. aparentely. my miami shipping agency. mist place my package. will try to post pic of that later tomorrow
any way. I instal the kit today. and inmediately set out to start the car.
first time the starter motor crank ok. the motor sound like is going to start, but no start of the engine first time. . gust after so long need a second crank.
gust what. second time turn key. nothing from the starter motor. again.
I inmediately did a light test to the starter. and I get good current when key turn.
so here is the problem again
only this time. the first time the starter motor work ok. secont time nothing. not even a sound from the solenoid.
Iam beganing to think the starter motor have some kind of a intermitent. problem.
any advice or sugestion welcome.
I think tomorrow I will drop the starter again and open sent itto rebuild.
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From: Los Altos CA
Maybe your battery has drained a bit while waiting for the air pump eliminator and only had enough juice for the one crank? You might want to charge it up fresh and try again.
I just took a quick look through your thread...since you're still using the original starter I suppose it's possible it has an intermittant problem. I just hate to recommend replacing it til you're sure.
A tap with a hammer might help, but don't wail away on it til you're sure you're going to replace it (and anything else you might break in the process).
Good luck, and a Happy(er) New Year,
Wayne
I just took a quick look through your thread...since you're still using the original starter I suppose it's possible it has an intermittant problem. I just hate to recommend replacing it til you're sure.
A tap with a hammer might help, but don't wail away on it til you're sure you're going to replace it (and anything else you might break in the process).
Good luck, and a Happy(er) New Year,
Wayne
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From: panama panama
Maybe your battery has drained a bit while waiting for the air pump eliminator and only had enough juice for the one crank? You might want to charge it up fresh and try again.
I just took a quick look through your thread...since you're still using the original starter I suppose it's possible it has an intermittant problem. I just hate to recommend replacing it til you're sure.
A tap with a hammer might help, but don't wail away on it til you're sure you're going to replace it (and anything else you might break in the process).
Good luck, and a Happy(er) New Year,
Wayne
I just took a quick look through your thread...since you're still using the original starter I suppose it's possible it has an intermittant problem. I just hate to recommend replacing it til you're sure.
A tap with a hammer might help, but don't wail away on it til you're sure you're going to replace it (and anything else you might break in the process).
Good luck, and a Happy(er) New Year,
Wayne