no start help here
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From: panama panama
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since this battery was 630 amp. and the minimun recomendation for the 1986 vette is 700 amps. i asume that the battery was the problem.
so today I get new battery. with 850 amp. install about 2 hour ago.and same thing. just here the clcik.
the cables look clean on the battery. dont know in the other end.. this cables most be old specialy the positive cable.
dont know for sure since i got the car with those cables.
Last edited by hitmanpty; Nov 21, 2011 at 07:05 PM.
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With car out of gear and secured run a wire from starter solenoid terminal
( purple wire ) to batt POS terminal
Connect wire at starter end 1st and touch other end on Pos terminal
Does same clicking occur?
If so ,is starter problem.
If starter works properly , you have a problem with wiring from key to starter
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From: panama panama
So you need to check the ends of the two main cables before continuing further
So if the cables check out ,you need to consider that starter is worn out.
With car out of gear and secured run a wire from starter solenoid terminal
( purple wire ) to batt POS terminal
Connect wire at starter end 1st and touch other end on Pos terminal
Does same clicking occur?
If so ,is starter problem.
If starter works properly , you have a problem with wiring from key to starter
So if the cables check out ,you need to consider that starter is worn out.
With car out of gear and secured run a wire from starter solenoid terminal
( purple wire ) to batt POS terminal
Connect wire at starter end 1st and touch other end on Pos terminal
Does same clicking occur?
If so ,is starter problem.
If starter works properly , you have a problem with wiring from key to starter
first the car start this way with out a problem, but as the time past it become more dificult to start, at the end, I push the buttom I only hear the clcik. that is the main reason I get a new battery. them I remove the push bottom cable, now I use the key for start.
I guest if before a wire was connected direct to battery and the problem was the same. them the problem is the starter. right????
Last edited by hitmanpty; Nov 22, 2011 at 09:04 AM.
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If you can hear the solenoid click, it is ok. At the end of the solenoid stroke, two large copper contacts are forced together that switch current to the starter motor. These contacts get black and pitted and then don't make a low enough resistance connection to allow enough starter motor current to allow for cranking. I measured the starter current on my 87 this past Spring at 240 amps. Those contacts are replaceable and a lot cheaper than another starter motor. One experiment you can do is to continue hitting crank over and over and the banging of these contacts eventually makes a good connection and the starter motor will crank. I had this problem after work 2 yrs ago and that is what got me home.
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if I get this solenoid. (please see link) will this fix my problem. or I just have to clean some contact inside the starter???????
http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb....5Z5Z50000050F#
http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb....5Z5Z50000050F#
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this sounds like the starter solenoid has failed. You will need to disconnect the battery, disconnect the wires at the starter then drop the starter down from the engine. On many of the older GM starters, you could remove the solenoid from the starter, loosen and rotate the the large brass lugs on the solenoid and hook everything back up. In most cases this will fix the problem at least temporarily until you can buy a new solenoid.
good luck
good luck
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I will tell every one the true. at lunch time I when out and get my self a new solenoid. it cost me $12.63.
this weekend I will drop the all starter and change the solenoid, and check everything ealse on the starter
this weekend I will drop the all starter and change the solenoid, and check everything ealse on the starter
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Let me repeat myself. If you can hear the starter solenoid click, then there isn't anything wrong with the solenoid. Your problem is with the copper contacts the solenoid forces together to switch current to the starter motor. You just spent $12 for nothing and just replacing the solenoid will not fix your problem.
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Let me repeat myself. If you can hear the starter solenoid click, then there isn't anything wrong with the solenoid. Your problem is with the copper contacts the solenoid forces together to switch current to the starter motor. You just spent $12 for nothing and just replacing the solenoid will not fix your problem.
He got a solenoid for $12, that something, not nothing.
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ok. I will check the contact when I got the starter out. if they look bad. I will change them or clean them. what ever is best.
I all ready get the solenoid. nothing I can do about it now.
I all ready get the solenoid. nothing I can do about it now.
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I thought the contacts came with the solenoid. Last solenoid I replaced which was years back I think I got the contacts. Be as it may if the solenoid does not come with the contacts, that could be a problem.
But in the last few years I stopped replacing solenoids. With my luck I ended up with a bad starter two times not to long after that. Now I just get a starter (+solenoid) with a lifetime guarantee and I’m done with it. Seems to be working for me but that’s just my current outlook.
But in the last few years I stopped replacing solenoids. With my luck I ended up with a bad starter two times not to long after that. Now I just get a starter (+solenoid) with a lifetime guarantee and I’m done with it. Seems to be working for me but that’s just my current outlook.
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I thought the contacts came with the solenoid. Last solenoid I replaced which was years back I think I got the contacts. Be as it may if the solenoid does not come with the contacts, that could be a problem.
But in the last few years I stopped replacing solenoids. With my luck I ended up with a bad starter two times not to long after that. Now I just get a starter with a lifetime guarantee and I’m done with it. Seems to be working for me but that’s just my current outlook.
But in the last few years I stopped replacing solenoids. With my luck I ended up with a bad starter two times not to long after that. Now I just get a starter with a lifetime guarantee and I’m done with it. Seems to be working for me but that’s just my current outlook.