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I think they have to come here and :troll because the MR2 and Gallant forums closed, due to a lot of members dying from terminal stupidity.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: An import looks better than a Z--??????

Most Z06's run low-mid 12's stock. Not high 12's to low 13's. The only ones I have ever seen run a 13 is in high altittudes, in which case the car you are referring to would run a high 13- low 14.

 

A car is a car.

I find it exceedingly funny how owners appear to adopt different attitudes.

"The Galant may be faster than a Z06 but its still a POS"

to that, a Ferrari owner might say

"A Z06 might be faster than a Modena but its still a POS"

There are two real categories to look into.

Performance and Styling.

When someone wants performance, they don't necessarily need the best looking car.

When someone wants styling, they don't necessarily want the best performing car (all those C5 auto tranny owners who never take the car above 55 in their life come to mind)

 

Some of you don't understand the concept of a sleeper car. The object is to have a car that looks relatively plain from the outside that can blow the doors off of most of the cars out there. People that build sleeper cars don't care about looking good, they care about making the owner of a more prestigious car say "WTF is that?"

 

"There are NO 100% STOCK imports that I have ever seen that will beat a stock Z06."

That's because there haven't been any serious Japanese sports car imported in over five years, expect for the Acura NSX. You're bragging about the fact that a stock Z06, which is only a few years old, is better than cars that are ten year old designs. Of course the new car is going to be better! How about comparing those early nineties imports to early nineties Vettes? Then it gets more interesting.

 

First off, I have raced an AWD Turbo Porsch on the Street and I waxed him (badly). I can launch on the Street just like I can on the track (on radials no less)... It isn't all that hard.

Now, if you want we can talk all sorts of silliness. I know of some cars that run 7.80's to 8.20 that run in outlaw Street classes on 10.5" slicks. Would you want to run one of them on the street. Oh, and several of them are tagged and inspected... Big deal. Yeah, this pointless thread can go on forever.

About he only time I would be worried about an AWD is in a pouring rainstorm or if it freezes here. Since i don't drive the Z06 in the rain, and it only freezes here about once every 5 years, I don't see the issue.

Sure, any car can be made fast. Would you like to race a 4 door Nova. I can go put a baby seat in the back and everything. We can make it look like grandma's grocery getter. I can stick the B/SM 353in SBC sitting on the floor in my shop in it. It only makes 780HP on a single carb on motor. I have second sheet metal manifold for twins and a brand new set of PRC carbs for it...

How about the NSCA / Factory Street car we have. On a set of 26x10" slick with bolt on traction devices, a 350 with unported heads, max lift of .485, an 850 carb, and a single plate limited to about 100HP the car is running 10.0's...

Now, as for bashing any of the cars. I haven't... I don't care what you drive, if you like it. But, I just think the whole Z06 killer is kind of a joke. But, I think the Viper guys feel the same way when they hear the Z06 called a Viper killer. I guees maybe we should be flattered that someone aspires to the level of performance we have stock.

I think one thing that is funny is how many of these clueless folks think performance out of one of these cars comes cheap. For the same money folks spend on one of these cars, they could have a H/C F-Body and go faster. I know the import guys may scoff at that. But, look at theinitial cost, then look at the cost of parts. An F-Body is similarly priced, and cheaper to mod...

Anyhow, enjoy whatever you drive. But as I said about MR2s/gallants/whatever. Don't sing it... Bring it.

 

I think we all understand the concept of a sleeper car. I have a 500hp mustang that looks stock-the only thing that sets it apart is the sound- but of course most that own mustangs put off road pipes and longtubes to make them sound good. I had many vettes, hondas, z28's, etc... be taken by surprise. But being fast does not make a car great. When you think about it- for under a grand you could put a 200hp shot on a Honda civic and blow the doos off a Z06- does that make it better than the Z06- most would say no. The Z06 is the Ulitmate pkg in styling, handling, breaking, cornering, and quickness.

I dont think theres any farrari owners that look at a Z06 and say oh what a pos- because of the ultimate pkg listed above. They might think oh its not as fast as they are but they would not think its a pos. The same goes for all you import guys here- if you thought the Galant or MR2 was soooo great and the Z06 was such a pos then you'd be over on the import forums and not here.

If you'd rather have a 400hp Galant over a 400hp Z06 then I pitty you. :chevy :jester

 

[QUOTE]"There are NO 100% STOCK imports that I have ever seen that will beat a stock Z06."

That's because there haven't been any serious Japanese sports car imported in over five years, expect for the Acura NSX. QUOTE]

And just why is that? Oh, could it be that the rice bombs didn't sell? Now that's interesting, some of these great cars, with their great technology, did not sell enough copies to remain in production. Strange, seems like as great as those cars were, everybody would have wanted one.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

 

The irony in that sentence is enough to keep a smile on my face this whole weekend. :lol:

 

I have no idea where this came from. Have you ever owned a Porsche, Ferarri, MB??? in your 23 yrs of wisdom? These are not trouble free cars and to say that they are more reliable than a ZO6 would be foolish. Here is a news flash.....the ZO6 is an extremely reliable car right out of the box. It has small glitches just like any other car. Notice I did not include Honda because Honda is a reliable car........STOCK. If you are going to mod it to STOCK ZO6 performance levels(for our little fantasy scenario), my money is on the ZO6 for reliability. I am so tired of the import lovers coming on here to tell us how awesome your cars are. That is all fine and great. Bottom line is most of us do not care. This is the ZO6 section of the Corevettefroum. And to say that these ZO6 killers number in the thousands in every city and that we should be so ashamed and embarrassed to drive a ZO6 is preposterous. They may be out there, but I have not seen any. And I will be the first to get out of my car and shake the person's hand who spanks me in a Honda Civic or whatever. Hasn't happened yet so I will continue to educate the import owners on just what kind of performance they need to aspire to.

Damn, I must have got out of bed on the wrong side.

John

PS.......my sleeper would be a Buick Grand National.....very fast AND reliable.

 

Should we say that about the camaro? As you know they are starting to import them now: Skyline, Lancer, Subura STI, Silvia coming soon. ALso a Z06 is not stock, it's an upgraded stock C5. So when comparing two cars make sure they are both stock. Stock C5 vs stock Lancer then what do you have? Should we compare Z06 to a Skyline Vspec?

 

I think anyone here(or on any other forum) would agree that stock is how the car comes straight from the factory. So an unmodded one would be STOCK!!!!!!!!!! But if you must compare your heroic Skyline Vspec, below are the specs......

Horsepower 277 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque 293 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

Acceleration

0-40 mph 2.7
0-60 mph 5.2
0-80 mph 8.7
0-100 mph 13.0

0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 13.7 @ 103.5 mph

Braking

From 60 mph 120 ft
From 80 mph 204 ft

Handling

200 ft skidpad 0.89 g
700 ft slalom 60.8 mph

Actually does not come close in any category.


Performance on Coupe


0 - 60 mph [secs] 4.5
0 - 100 mph [secs] 11.7
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 13.1 at 111

Top Speed [mph] 162
Lateral acceleration [g] 0.92

Fuel Economy [City/Hwy in mpg] 19 / 28

That is for the Coupe. I think they are little generous on the 0-60 but oh well. Last I heard the Skyline still isn't available in this country. Oh you can acquire one by questionable means(gray market), but that'll run you right up into the price range of a Corvette.





[Modified by FLYNLO, 11:58 PM 1/25/2003]

 

Are you actually from this planet? You talk about 5 years ago, then you jump to the future, then camaros. Now a stock Z06 is not stock? For the mentally challanged, which you appear to be, a "stock" auto is one which comes from the factory.

Idea, why don't you get a Z06, then you can go and
:troll on the ricer forums.

 

:D :D :D :D :thumbs:

 

Honestly - I wouldn't kick that car out of my garage.

In fact I'm kind of looking for a car like this to be my DD. These turbo AWD cars can be a lot fun. The new WRX is a bit out of my price range, but the VR4 galant is. Too bad too few of them were made.

 

Here you go dumb butt http://motorex.net/r34spec.html a skyline will run circles around a vette on a track. There is no comparison when it comes to performance. I have yet to see a c5 in the 8's w/out a 60,000 dollar lingin whatever his name is kit. Can you make 800 on a stock block? Doubt it. Do you have 4 wheel drive and steering? Nope. And for your info, they have been importing them in the US since 2000. So before you make a claim about something you no nothing about keep your mouth shut. Also cars that are imported from Japan are rescricted when it comes to hp. Look at the cars that are coming over here, they all have a hp numbers lower than 280. Also how can a 3600lb car run high12 to low 13's on 270 hp, think about it. People have dynoed a skyline at 285 to the wheel, don't let the numbers fool you.

 

Just about how much are these Skyline GTR's costing ?

 

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[Modified by needhlp, 12:59 AM 1/26/2003]

 

Your paying for the quality, performance and the cost of overbuilding. This car has so much more potential than a C5. A skyline can range in price from $23,000-$90,000 (1993-2002). These are cars capable of 700 plus hp with bolt on's stock blocks, for any year. http://www.accsoft.com.au/%7Eadrianc/r34/


[Modified by turismo22003, 12:58 AM 1/26/2003]

 

"And just why is that? Oh, could it be that the rice bombs didn't sell? Now that's interesting, some of these great cars, with their great technology, did not sell enough copies to remain in production. Strange, seems like as great as those cars were, everybody would have wanted one."

There's alot of reasons they didn't sell. The SUV craze was the main reason, as well as emissions. The Corvette had a big enough chunk of the market to keep on selling. The fact that they didn't sell well doesn't change the fact that when new they were in some aspects outperforming Vettes.