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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ccajun4real
Just got my recall notice today (#10118) for some 2005 models. It has the number 1800-630-2438 for concerns about this recall.

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Repeated movement of steering column may result in signal interupption causing SERVICE ACTIVE HANDLING on DIC. One or more of the brakes may apply possibly causing vehicle to pull to left or right. If driver does not respond to movement a crash could occur

What will they do

inspect wire connection in column and if necessary install a clip to secure the connection. Work done at no charge and will take approximately 20 mins

If you already paid for the repair you may request reimbursement and still need to take the car in for inspection.
Does anyone know if it is the same orange clip from TSB-06-02-35-002B part number P/N 19179794 for the orange comb clip?

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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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For a 2009 corvette with "Service Active Handling" what is it likely to be?

Every time I start the car after about 20 sec of driving.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Insom
For a 2009 corvette with "Service Active Handling" what is it likely to be?

Every time I start the car after about 20 sec of driving.
The same as 98% of the rest of us who have experienced the issue. The steering wheel position sensor (SWPS) has a bad connection. The harness is probably too tight and pulling on the connector which causes the connectors to were out or become loose causing an "Open Circuit" which causes the SAH message to appear. That is what the TSBs and 2nd TSB "comb" fix was about.

Look here for a DIY I put together.

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I did this on my 2006 Z06, but is should be the same on every C6 model vette out there, including the newer vettes and the ZR1.

Good lock

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Old Jun 5, 2010 | 10:30 AM
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Hi guys,

I live in Belgium, Europe. Corvette's are quite exclusive here, not like in the USA. Dealerships haven't heard of the Active Handling problems and don't have a clue what to do about them.

I've had the SAH quite a long time. When I bought the car, it was an issue for about 6 months. The dealership hadn't heard of the problem until I went to tell them something I read here on this forum.

Everything (brake pedal position sensor, steering wheel position sensor, the fix with the wires and clip and the ABS module) were replaced under warranty. The problem was fixed for about 25000 miles.

Now I'm back, having the same problem. Car isn't under warranty anymore.

I had him scanned and got a set of codes, one was active at that moment and we decided to get that one fixed (DIC on the brake pedal position sensor, I believe it was DIC 0131). Dealership recalibrated this sensor and the DIC disappeared for a couple of days.

It came back, several DIC's were found (high voltage, low voltage peaks, ...) and the dealership decided to replace the brake pedal position sensor.

After a couple of days, the SAH message was back, and it still is.

Anyone knowing what to do with it? Replacing every sensor again knowing it might be the expensive ABS module again is quite depressing.

What's the retail in USA on the ABS module?

Hope you guys know what to do..

Thanks!

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Old Jun 8, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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So I got the 05 back from the dealer after dropping it off for the recall. The next day "Service Active Handling" message was back, it's like they didn't even do anything.

Did this "fix" work for anyone else?
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 02:48 AM
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 03:00 AM
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I've taken the time to read most of this thread a few times. I very certain that I am experiencing the same issue the rest of you are having, however my particular vehicle is not on the list yet for the recall. Here's my story:

I have a 2005 C6 automatic, tilt wheel only, 51,XXX miles. About a month or so ago, I began to have difficulty getting my vette out of park. Over time this issue became worse, to the point where I couldn't even start the vehicle. The DIC would tell me to press the brake in order to start the car, even though I had the brake all the way to the floor. If I managed to start the car, it would still have the same problem getting out of park. After struggling to get it out of park for a few minutes (after finally getting the car to start), the "service active handling system" message came up on my DIC, as well as the yellow traction control light in the gauge cluster. I was confused, so I shut off the car and restarted it. No more message. I didn't drive it for a few days, found this thread, and scheduled an appointment with a local chevy dealer.

The day before I took my car into the dealer, I decided to drive it to see if I could figure out some sort of pattern for the issue. As I was slowing down to a major intersection, about 20-30 mph and braking, the "service active handling" DIC message and yellow traction control light came on again. Per the advice of a few posters on here, I turned off the traction control as a safety precaution and did not have further issues with the active handling. Please note that (so far) my vette has not pulled in any direction when the message comes up, or any other time for that matter. Along with the starting/shifting problem. I realized that my brake lights were not functioning properly- my brake lights would not light up when I applied the brakes, and stayed lit when the brakes were not applied (backwards basically).

When I took the car to the dealer, I got the runaround from an advisor there. He insisted that it was a brake switch for the starting/shifting/brake light problem. I asked him if they figured anything out with the active handling light, and he said no (keep in mind, I had to bring that up, he never mentioned it at first). So 165.00 out of my pocket for the brake switch. Also, when I finally saw the service ticket, and talked to the technician, I found out that the advisor lied to me about the active handling light, he had the tech check for a gas cap light (I never even saw my advisor whenever I showed up, just spoke on the phone). The tech was a bit embarrassed (I guess the advisor burned him too) and stated that since he replaced the brake switch, that he consequently cleared any codes that were there. Then I get in the car, only to have it not come out of park the first time, trying to get out of the service drive. They kept the car for another 2 days, at no charge, to see if they still had an issue with the brake switch, and also to see if the active handling message would come up. The car worked fine while in their possession.

I just picked up the car today, and drove it around town just to make sure everything was working properly. At the end of my evening, driving home, I began to slow down to hang a right into my subdivision. At about 20-30mph, slowing before I made the turn, the active handling message came on once again. This time, my better half was in the car with me, and snapped a picture of the DIC and light with his camera phone. I drove the car around my neighborhood for a few minutes, in hope that the code will store. Then I came home, and got right on corvetteforum to tell my story.

Also, keep in mind, this problem occurred in clear/optimal weather/road conditions. No precipitation/gravel/etc involved.

EDIT: The previous post contains the picture that my better half (aka TxGM) took of my DIC this evening

I hope this information helps somehow!

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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by culinarycara
I've taken the time to read most of this thread a few times. I very certain that I am experiencing the same issue the rest of you are having, however my particular vehicle is not on the list yet for the recall. Here's my story:

I have a 2005 C6 automatic, tilt wheel only, 51,XXX miles. About a month or so ago, I began to have difficulty getting my vette out of park. Over time this issue became worse, to the point where I couldn't even start the vehicle. The DIC would tell me to press the brake in order to start the car, even though I had the brake all the way to the floor. If I managed to start the car, it would still have the same problem getting out of park. After struggling to get it out of park for a few minutes (after finally getting the car to start), the "service active handling system" message came up on my DIC, as well as the yellow traction control light in the gauge cluster. I was confused, so I shut off the car and restarted it. No more message. I didn't drive it for a few days, found this thread, and scheduled an appointment with a local chevy dealer.

The day before I took my car into the dealer, I decided to drive it to see if I could figure out some sort of pattern for the issue. As I was slowing down to a major intersection, about 20-30 mph and braking, the "service active handling" DIC message and yellow traction control light came on again. Per the advice of a few posters on here, I turned off the traction control as a safety precaution and did not have further issues with the active handling. Please note that (so far) my vette has not pulled in any direction when the message comes up, or any other time for that matter. Along with the starting/shifting problem. I realized that my brake lights were not functioning properly- my brake lights would not light up when I applied the brakes, and stayed lit when the brakes were not applied (backwards basically).

When I took the car to the dealer, I got the runaround from an advisor there. He insisted that it was a brake switch for the starting/shifting/brake light problem. I asked him if they figured anything out with the active handling light, and he said no (keep in mind, I had to bring that up, he never mentioned it at first). So 165.00 out of my pocket for the brake switch. Also, when I finally saw the service ticket, and talked to the technician, I found out that the advisor lied to me about the active handling light, he had the tech check for a gas cap light (I never even saw my advisor whenever I showed up, just spoke on the phone). The tech was a bit embarrassed (I guess the advisor burned him too) and stated that since he replaced the brake switch, that he consequently cleared any codes that were there. Then I get in the car, only to have it not come out of park the first time, trying to get out of the service drive. They kept the car for another 2 days, at no charge, to see if they still had an issue with the brake switch, and also to see if the active handling message would come up. The car worked fine while in their possession.

I just picked up the car today, and drove it around town just to make sure everything was working properly. At the end of my evening, driving home, I began to slow down to hang a right into my subdivision. At about 20-30mph, slowing before I made the turn, the active handling message came on once again. This time, my better half was in the car with me, and snapped a picture of the DIC and light with his camera phone. I drove the car around my neighborhood for a few minutes, in hope that the code will store. Then I came home, and got right on corvetteforum to tell my story.

Also, keep in mind, this problem occurred in clear/optimal weather/road conditions. No precipitation/gravel/etc involved.

EDIT: The previous post contains the picture that my better half (aka TxGM) took of my DIC this evening

I hope this information helps somehow!
Welcome to the club.

One other thing I've noticed. My SAH and STC comes on when there is a passenger in the car. I can't remember a time they came on when when driving alone. Maybe a coincidence?
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KarlK
Welcome to the club.

One other thing I've noticed. My SAH and STC comes on when there is a passenger in the car. I can't remember a time they came on when when driving alone. Maybe a coincidence?
So far, it's happened to me once while still sitting in the driveway, in park with no passenger. Once in motion with no passenger, and once with a passenger while in motion.

My only link to any of this is that since I'm only 5 feet tall, any one else who might sit in or drive my vette would have to tilt the steering wheel up. When my car was brought up to the service drive for pick up the first time, when I couldn't get it out of park again, the wheel was up, and I lowered it back down.

When the SAH light came on the third time, my better half and I actually traded drivers throughout the day, to see how the vehicle would behave, consequently moving the steering wheel up or down.
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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 08:36 PM
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Well, it's day 2 of having my car back. The car won't start and won't come out of park just like before (but not as bad, yet). At least my brake lights still work. I drove home with my traction control off (again, as a safety precaution).

I approached my subdivision to make a right turn to my neighborhood. Again, going about 20-30mph in the EXACT same conditions (only difference is today it happened in daylight, yesterday was at night) DEJA VU!!!! The SAH light came on again!!!! AND it happened with the traction control off

I guess that brake switch didn't work. Back to the drawing board!!!

My better half was in the car with this time as well. This time, he got a few more, and clearer pictures of the SAH message.

This is really aggravating!

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Old Jun 13, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Old Jun 19, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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NVL AV8R (Tony),

Thanks for your post above with pictures!
My Service AH light came on last week, so I started reading up about it on the forum. I read many post, and still wasn't sure if I wanted to try this. My Z was built in March 2006, so it's not covered under the recall.

My plug into the steering wheel positioner switch (SWPS) is different than what you show. The orange clip you show would not work with the plug style I have....this is probably why my car wasn't covered under the recall, cause they changed the plug.

Apparently, my plug had just come loose, and I pushed it further in, and it snapped into place. Ths Service AH light is now off.

Thanks!
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Old Jun 19, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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So did anyone else take their vette in for the recall and is still having the problem?
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Old Jun 20, 2010 | 07:37 PM
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I encourage each of you to write to your respective member of Congress and CC NHTSA and GM. Its time GM came forward to explain what the real problem is and fix it. As a community I would prefer at the minimum an option of disabling the AH.
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Old Jun 21, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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GM/ their dealers are blowing smoke up our butts.

I have a 2006, at 33,040 the AHS light came on. I took it to the dealer, now out of business, and they replaced the steering wheel position sensor (SWPS) n/c.
At 44,193 same old stuff AHS light comes on and off. I finally take it in and they install a revised clip on the steering wheel position sensor, and charge me $37.50.
The good old AHS comes and goes over the miles. I take it in for other stuff, the gas tank sensor in the right tank is bad, thank God i had an extended warranty, and the job cost me the $200 deductible. The very same day the recall came so I had the service, ops a slip, they checked the clip and found it to be ok?
Three days late the AHS comes on and I take it to the no customer service. The steering wheel position sensor is replaced again, just like at 33,040, for $183.59.
They claim the SWPS is not part of the AHS and want their money.
Is or is not the SWPS part of the AHS??????????

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Old Jul 4, 2010 | 09:05 AM
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I recieved the letter and brought my car to the dealership to have the clip installed. I have not had the light service active handling light come on since it was installed.
Before the car was repaired it would come on every time I drive the car even if I didnt move the steering column. It just kept getting worse. I am very happy to have this repaired and I cannot believe it took that long to get a recall notice out for such a small inexpensive and annoying fix. Oh well, all is well. I also had my tires rebalanced at the dealership and they did a great job. My car is an 05,Z-51, with the A4 automatic.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by culinarycara
I've taken the time to read most of this thread a few times. I very certain that I am experiencing the same issue the rest of you are having, however my particular vehicle is not on the list yet for the recall. Here's my story:

I have a 2005 C6 automatic, tilt wheel only, 51,XXX miles. About a month or so ago, I began to have difficulty getting my vette out of park. Over time this issue became worse, to the point where I couldn't even start the vehicle. The DIC would tell me to press the brake in order to start the car, even though I had the brake all the way to the floor. If I managed to start the car, it would still have the same problem getting out of park. After struggling to get it out of park for a few minutes (after finally getting the car to start), the "service active handling system" message came up on my DIC, as well as the yellow traction control light in the gauge cluster. I was confused, so I shut off the car and restarted it. No more message. I didn't drive it for a few days, found this thread, and scheduled an appointment with a local chevy dealer.

The day before I took my car into the dealer, I decided to drive it to see if I could figure out some sort of pattern for the issue. As I was slowing down to a major intersection, about 20-30 mph and braking, the "service active handling" DIC message and yellow traction control light came on again. Per the advice of a few posters on here, I turned off the traction control as a safety precaution and did not have further issues with the active handling. Please note that (so far) my vette has not pulled in any direction when the message comes up, or any other time for that matter. Along with the starting/shifting problem. I realized that my brake lights were not functioning properly- my brake lights would not light up when I applied the brakes, and stayed lit when the brakes were not applied (backwards basically).

When I took the car to the dealer, I got the runaround from an advisor there. He insisted that it was a brake switch for the starting/shifting/brake light problem. I asked him if they figured anything out with the active handling light, and he said no (keep in mind, I had to bring that up, he never mentioned it at first). So 165.00 out of my pocket for the brake switch. Also, when I finally saw the service ticket, and talked to the technician, I found out that the advisor lied to me about the active handling light, he had the tech check for a gas cap light (I never even saw my advisor whenever I showed up, just spoke on the phone). The tech was a bit embarrassed (I guess the advisor burned him too) and stated that since he replaced the brake switch, that he consequently cleared any codes that were there. Then I get in the car, only to have it not come out of park the first time, trying to get out of the service drive. They kept the car for another 2 days, at no charge, to see if they still had an issue with the brake switch, and also to see if the active handling message would come up. The car worked fine while in their possession.

I just picked up the car today, and drove it around town just to make sure everything was working properly. At the end of my evening, driving home, I began to slow down to hang a right into my subdivision. At about 20-30mph, slowing before I made the turn, the active handling message came on once again. This time, my better half was in the car with me, and snapped a picture of the DIC and light with his camera phone. I drove the car around my neighborhood for a few minutes, in hope that the code will store. Then I came home, and got right on corvetteforum to tell my story.

Also, keep in mind, this problem occurred in clear/optimal weather/road conditions. No precipitation/gravel/etc involved.

EDIT: The previous post contains the picture that my better half (aka TxGM) took of my DIC this evening

I hope this information helps somehow!
I have 2004 Cadillac XLR with the same problem you are having. When the service stabilitrak message comes on and the traction control light. If you shut the car off and go to start it the message comes up press brake to start and the car will not start. If it does start it won't come out of park unless I put full pressure on the brake pedal.

It sounds like your dealer isn't that great with fixing your problem.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:38 PM
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So did anyone else take their vette in for the recall and is still having the problem?
about a month ago I brought my car to dealership to have them install the clip because i had been getting the SAH light and got the recall in the mail but last weekend while taking a freeway off ramp mid corner my driver side rear tire locked up scared the S**T out of me luckily i could control it long enough to pull over, once i pulled over i restarted the car and it worked fine. That night i called the dealership and told them what happened and they told me to bring it back in and they would take another look at it so i drove it to them which was like a 45 minute drive and right when i pulled in it locked up on me again. I was mad because the service tech didnt see it but as soon as he got in do drive it less than a 100 yards to the service bay it locked up on him twice. So i am glad the service tech got to experience it but it is still at the dealership and they have no idea what to do.....

Has anyone had the whole wiring harness replaced and if so have you experienced the problem since? also my car is not under warranty but because it is a recall should i have to pay if they replace the whole wiring harness?
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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Just found this forum after doing a search for problems with corvette's active handling system - appreciate any help... We've had a problem with this every year since we bought the car in 2005. Have gotten the "clip" fix for our vette - did not work - replaced sensors - did not work. Now it is the "yaw" sensor that has gone out (another $600 fix) that caused the exact same problem - brakes engage, car veers to the left - but G.M. says the problems are not connected. Has anyone else had to have the yaw sensor replaced for this problem? If not, watch out for it - it is apparently the next step in this problem. We are starting a letter writing campaign about this as suggested, since the recall really fixes nothing. Also, has anyone thought about a class action lawsuit?
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Old Jul 15, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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I brought my 02 Vette in to the local Chevy dealer to have the ABS/active handling system serviced as the the indicator lights noted to have it serviced. The dealer wants $1300 to replace the relay box. Is this my only option?
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