Vitesse Throttle Controller - Wow!
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Tom I respectfully disagree that adding the additional settings makes this device an iPhone 6+ compared to a StarTac. It's like adding additional volume settings to a phone, they both do the same thing, one allows you to adjust the volume in a more finite basis. Perhaps this product allows you to make the volume quieter than Chucks, though that's not proven if he can do that or not, it seems he could since it's just settings in a table. You're the first guy I've heard wanting slower throttle response.
I find no need for additional settings, the product works great and 2 settings does me fine like my two fobs do me fine. That by the way IS a good analogy, as it happens, I have one fob for seating set for racing and one fob for street and I have one throttle setting for racing and one for street.
If you find value in the additional settings, then sounds like this option is for you.
I'm not keen on introducing an electronic device into my drive by wire system, but hopefully they won't fail like my electronic fan controller did.
Did you buy the product? How is it working for you? I'll be interested to see if you like it as much as I do.
By the way, I think either product is a good mod as I personally think (and have been saying this since 2006) that our throttle response is too slow.
Edit, sorry I posted my first thread on slow throttle response in 2007. 8 years ago almost to the day. The mods in that thread helped a little but nothing like either of these products will do.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...ottle-response
I find no need for additional settings, the product works great and 2 settings does me fine like my two fobs do me fine. That by the way IS a good analogy, as it happens, I have one fob for seating set for racing and one fob for street and I have one throttle setting for racing and one for street.
If you find value in the additional settings, then sounds like this option is for you.
I'm not keen on introducing an electronic device into my drive by wire system, but hopefully they won't fail like my electronic fan controller did.
Did you buy the product? How is it working for you? I'll be interested to see if you like it as much as I do.
By the way, I think either product is a good mod as I personally think (and have been saying this since 2006) that our throttle response is too slow.
Edit, sorry I posted my first thread on slow throttle response in 2007. 8 years ago almost to the day. The mods in that thread helped a little but nothing like either of these products will do.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...ottle-response
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Yes, the 1990's brick phone was great in the 1990's, just like Chuck's booster was 4 years ago, but Joe, the technology has advanced. Now you have an iphone 6 and can have 9 choices of advance and 7 of retard (9+7= 16 not 12) plus a null, which I don't consider since it's not a change from stock. And yes, Chuck may be able to retune from unlimited choices, but it's still Chuck in control and not the car owner who can do it instantly. Of course there are owners who will find a setting and stick with it, just like there are owners who never let anyone else drive their car. However, like the "man" side and "women" side, many owners have multiple people who drive their cars and they don't all like the way the seat or mirrors are adjusted either. The Vitesse gives them the instant opportunity to make that adjustment to suit the individual drivers. Vettes came with 2 fobs, not because GM feared you'd lose one, but because it gave the opportunity for two people to create their individual preferences. It's like your Prius that has 3 user controlled throttle options. That's the point of technology, to make things easier for people to use and control.
BTW, I don't believe Chuck ever had the retard ability that lengthened the acceleration/deceleration ramp spacing or I'd bought one. He didn't seem to have a clue why that was worthwhile, because he isn't a racer. The retard feature of the Vitesse makes your "EXACTLY the same thing - nothing more, nothing less" statement invalid. When people who already have Chuck's booster and have purchased and used the Vitesse, say the difference is amazingly better with lots of choices, then that appears to be a technological advancement.
BTW, I don't believe Chuck ever had the retard ability that lengthened the acceleration/deceleration ramp spacing or I'd bought one. He didn't seem to have a clue why that was worthwhile, because he isn't a racer. The retard feature of the Vitesse makes your "EXACTLY the same thing - nothing more, nothing less" statement invalid. When people who already have Chuck's booster and have purchased and used the Vitesse, say the difference is amazingly better with lots of choices, then that appears to be a technological advancement.
Well said. I'd even add that if you were going to the store, a Corvette and a Prius will do exactly the same thing and get you there but it's a totally different experience. So in that regard, the do NOT do exactly the same thing. If they did, the Vitesse unit would have up to 3 settings instead of 16 ...PLUS you would have to reprogram it to change that.
I like being able to change to any of those settings instantly 100% of the time I feel like it. It suits my driving style.
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Tom I respectfully disagree that adding the additional settings makes this device an iPhone 6+ compared to a StarTac. It's like adding additional volume settings to a phone, they both do the same thing, one allows you to adjust the volume in a more finite basis. Perhaps this product allows you to make the volume quieter than Chucks, though that's not proven if he can do that or not, it seems he could since it's just settings in a table. You're the first guy I've heard wanting slower throttle response.
I find no need for additional settings, the product works great and 2 settings does me fine like my two fobs do me fine. That by the way IS a good analogy, as it happens, I have one fob for seating set for racing and one fob for street and I have one throttle setting for racing and one for street.
If you find value in the additional settings, then sounds like this option is for you.
I'm not keen on introducing an electronic device into my drive by wire system, but hopefully they won't fail like my electronic fan controller did.
Did you buy the product? How is it working for you? I'll be interested to see if you like it as much as I do.
By the way, I think either product is a good mod as I personally think (and have been saying this since 2006) that our throttle response is too slow.
Edit, sorry I posted my first thread on slow throttle response in 2007. 8 years ago almost to the day. The mods in that thread helped a little but nothing like either of these products will do.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...ottle-response
I find no need for additional settings, the product works great and 2 settings does me fine like my two fobs do me fine. That by the way IS a good analogy, as it happens, I have one fob for seating set for racing and one fob for street and I have one throttle setting for racing and one for street.
If you find value in the additional settings, then sounds like this option is for you.
I'm not keen on introducing an electronic device into my drive by wire system, but hopefully they won't fail like my electronic fan controller did.
Did you buy the product? How is it working for you? I'll be interested to see if you like it as much as I do.
By the way, I think either product is a good mod as I personally think (and have been saying this since 2006) that our throttle response is too slow.
Edit, sorry I posted my first thread on slow throttle response in 2007. 8 years ago almost to the day. The mods in that thread helped a little but nothing like either of these products will do.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...ottle-response
If you want a different phone analogy, try this.
Chuck's deal is like picking up the phone and waiting for the switchboard operator, so you can tell her who you want to talk to. She then plugs in your line to the other customer's and adds a ring tone. As long as the operator leaves the line connected you can talk whenever you want. If you decide you want to talk to someone else, you have to go back to the operator again to switch lines and hope she's not taking a potty break. You've probably never experienced that, but you've seen how it works on The Andy Griffith Show and Mayberry RFD.
The Vitesse is like having a dialer on your own phone, so you can call many different people without waiting or having another person involved in the process.
Since you have a manual, a quicker throttle response is all you'd ever need. I'm sure you've hear the term "rolling into the throttle" being used by people with automatics, because that's exactly what the eco (aka retard) mode does on the Vitesse. Since automatics don't have a driver controlled clutch, you can't just stab the pedal and go when you don't have excellent traction. Slower feeding of the beast is done with the skinny pedal, but the Vitesse makes that possible in a very smooth way with multiple settings to compensate for varying track or street conditions. It's an electronic technology that controls a launch with my right foot in a similar manner that you do mechanically with your left foot.
Up until now, even though I've played around with some mechanical devices, a clutch car has had an advantage on a poorly prepped track.
If you remember when I ran at PBIR on street tires, each pass got progressively better as I felt out the track to learn how slowly I had to feed the throttle to avoid spinning. This device has changed the need to make several passes to feel out the track and find the best rate of throttle input to get a good launch. Just one pass and you know what button to push.
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Tom you know I respect you and consider you a friend after all these years so I'm not going to debate the two approaches to do the exact same thing any further. The volume control comparison I wrote above is dead on accurate. But that said, smart reasonable guys can agree to disagree.
Please get this new device and let me know how it works for you.
I will predict, here and now, that your foot is a MUCH better device to modulate throttle than this electronic device and this won't have any effect on your track times in an honest back to back study (as I know you'll conduct). However, you will very much enjoy the faster throttle settings and it'll make your car feel peppier to you.
And after one month when the newness wears off, and surely after one year, you won't adjust the settings any further from whatever setting you end up on.
These are my public predictions. Right or wrong, we'll see.
Please get this new device and let me know how it works for you.
I will predict, here and now, that your foot is a MUCH better device to modulate throttle than this electronic device and this won't have any effect on your track times in an honest back to back study (as I know you'll conduct). However, you will very much enjoy the faster throttle settings and it'll make your car feel peppier to you.
And after one month when the newness wears off, and surely after one year, you won't adjust the settings any further from whatever setting you end up on.
These are my public predictions. Right or wrong, we'll see.
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Got mine installed today. With me going very slowly, especially since I've not personally removed panels, it took me an hour. And the video was right - the contortioning required was absolutely the worst part. Everything went together without fuss. Got the master control box anchored, wires zip-tied, everything, in an hour or so.
Programmed exactly as directed in instructions.
Test drove in S2 and S3 modes, and all I can say is....W-O-W. Huge difference in throttle response.
I can see me doing the set it and forget it once I get used to the various modes. Valets don't ever touch this car, so E-0 not needed.
Question, and it may have been answered in the 20 or so pages on this thread: When I step on the gas, the display shows "A" and a number that varies/changes. What does this number represent? Is there a link to a thread on this forum that shows what that means?
Ahmed, you ROCK. GREAT product!
HTH someone who's on the fence about this product. I'll post this on the C6 General forum as well.
Mike
Mike
Programmed exactly as directed in instructions.
Test drove in S2 and S3 modes, and all I can say is....W-O-W. Huge difference in throttle response.
I can see me doing the set it and forget it once I get used to the various modes. Valets don't ever touch this car, so E-0 not needed.
Question, and it may have been answered in the 20 or so pages on this thread: When I step on the gas, the display shows "A" and a number that varies/changes. What does this number represent? Is there a link to a thread on this forum that shows what that means?
Ahmed, you ROCK. GREAT product!
HTH someone who's on the fence about this product. I'll post this on the C6 General forum as well.
Mike
Mike
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YES, when the CoW BOOSTER! is installed we are actually Changing the throttle mapping in the ECM.
2005 Cars have 3 throttle maps selected with the TC button and 2006 - 2013 have only 2 modes.
Since most customers have our AutoCal device, we can send you an infinite number of throttle maps to chose from.
NOT ONLY can we ENHANCE the throttle to ANY LIMIT WE CHOSE (no other product can do this),
Our AutoCal device can use the same custom throttle programming of CoW BOOSTER! to create a very unique
VALET MODE. Using our AutoCal device, the throttle can be programmed to TOTALLY LIMIT the
throttle so that a VALET at your local Golf Course, Country Club, or parking garage can only have just enough throttle
to park the car and NOTHING MORE. Flooring the throttle will only let the car idle along so that it can be safely parked.
We don't have these problems and our system allows 3x or 4x or 5x or 10x the stock programming...whatever we chose.
We actually program the throttle controller at it's core. Our system works EXACTLY as if the GM engineers wanted it our way.
CoW BOOSTER! has now been around for 4 years with ZERO failures or problems and is the SAFEST! and most reliable
method for enhancing your vehicle's throttle response to ANY LIMIT WE CHOSE.
Our CoW BOOSTER! is available for Every C5-C6-C7 Corvette as well as every single GM VEHICLE SUCH AS....
CAMARO, GTO, G8, COBALT, CRUISE, TBSS, SILVERADO, CTS-V, ESCALADE, TAHOE, DENALI, DURAMAX, and just about every
application of GM vehicle you could want.
Instant Power, Instant Throttle RESPONSE, and usually up to 3 MPG in better gas mileage.
And best of all.... You can now get it TOTALLY FREE!
Stay (CoW) TUNED!
Chuck CoW
2005 Cars have 3 throttle maps selected with the TC button and 2006 - 2013 have only 2 modes.
Since most customers have our AutoCal device, we can send you an infinite number of throttle maps to chose from.
NOT ONLY can we ENHANCE the throttle to ANY LIMIT WE CHOSE (no other product can do this),
Our AutoCal device can use the same custom throttle programming of CoW BOOSTER! to create a very unique
VALET MODE. Using our AutoCal device, the throttle can be programmed to TOTALLY LIMIT the
throttle so that a VALET at your local Golf Course, Country Club, or parking garage can only have just enough throttle
to park the car and NOTHING MORE. Flooring the throttle will only let the car idle along so that it can be safely parked.
We don't have these problems and our system allows 3x or 4x or 5x or 10x the stock programming...whatever we chose.
We actually program the throttle controller at it's core. Our system works EXACTLY as if the GM engineers wanted it our way.
CoW BOOSTER! has now been around for 4 years with ZERO failures or problems and is the SAFEST! and most reliable
method for enhancing your vehicle's throttle response to ANY LIMIT WE CHOSE.
Our CoW BOOSTER! is available for Every C5-C6-C7 Corvette as well as every single GM VEHICLE SUCH AS....
CAMARO, GTO, G8, COBALT, CRUISE, TBSS, SILVERADO, CTS-V, ESCALADE, TAHOE, DENALI, DURAMAX, and just about every
application of GM vehicle you could want.
Instant Power, Instant Throttle RESPONSE, and usually up to 3 MPG in better gas mileage.
And best of all.... You can now get it TOTALLY FREE!
Stay (CoW) TUNED!
Chuck CoW
You need to stop coming in here trying to find opportunities to sell your product! Just not cool dude!
Start your own thread if you want! Your up in this post in every bodies face in all these posts!
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I know zero out transmissions, power converters, etc... I'm having a blast with the Vitesse.
Is there anything that a booster could do which would negatively effect the tranny (mine is auto), or power converters, or?
Is there anything that a booster could do which would negatively effect the tranny (mine is auto), or power converters, or?
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Have you read the rules about Hi jacking a thread?
You need to stop coming in here trying to find opportunities to sell your product! Just not cool dude!
Start your own thread if you want! Your up in this post in every bodies face in all these posts!
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Go ahead - make my day - hijack this thread. You will lose posting rights to the entire forum in a split second.
This is no longer a lose a few points offense. This is a bye-bye offense.
You need to stop coming in here trying to find opportunities to sell your product! Just not cool dude!
Start your own thread if you want! Your up in this post in every bodies face in all these posts!
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This is no longer a lose a few points offense. This is a bye-bye offense.
He is all up in these threads now because he has seen that his product isn't that all mighty....If you have noticed Check has been bumping up ANY post that has to do with is magic booster..... And a lot if not all of them are over 90 days old and that's against the forum rules....
Oh yeah and now the CoW booster is free....Huh...
Oh well.. he has seen that hes not the only one with skills....
There area other talented people out there......
I myself really like the adjustability of my controller... Having a supercharger it really seems to help with traction off the line.....
But im still running on my OLD(almost 40k mile kuhmos)...I get my new supersports installed in the morning..Fingers crossed, and ill be having my drag radials balanced for this wed night while im there...
Oh and ill try and remember to data log some files this time....LOL just so much going on when pulling to the line for me with the new supercharger and the extra power and trying to tweak this controller ....
We have a big drag race coming up here in a few weeks and trying to get some seat time in before the event......Just hope I can run as I have no roll bar and almost sure gonna go under the 11.5 rule.....so well have to see how it goes.... Or maybe just install an RSD bar for the weekend....Good thing im good friends with RSD ..LOL
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Hi folks.
I had a couple of questions for Ahmed that seem to have been commonly asked on this (and also on the C6 General) forum. As is very typical for him, his responses were almost immediate.
I'm posting the questions and responses here, and will also post them in the C6 General section as well. I hope this helps someone as it helped me.
Drove the Vitesse again today and am very, very impressed!
Mike
Ahmed,
I installed the Vitesse throttle controller yesterday. HUGE difference. Very pleased and I let this be known on the Corvette forum.
However, a question: What exactly is this device doing? I mean, I know the end result is no throttle lag, but how/what is the device doing to accomplish this? Is it pre-opening the throttle plate for quicker response?
Only other question I've had, and in fact I've seen on the forum, is what kind of fail-safe procedure/software is in your product? One individual had his car unexplainedly
start revving to a high rpm, wanting to take off on him. I seem to recall some sort of pedal/throttle plate disagreement program within the ECM where the engine would automatically go into limp mode should a disagreement occur.
Does your throttle controller have some sort of similar software? Since the device is literally "tricking" (for lack of a better word) the ECM, would this fail-safe software still be effective/active?
Thanks
Mike
Hello Mike
Thank you for your nice comments.
The Controller is simply sending a signal to the Throttle Body bypassing the ECU that has some built-in delay that is originally there on purpose: For safety issues / fuel economy ...
The Controller is now sending a more linear signal without that built-in lag.
The higher you choose the settings, the faster the signal goes to the Throttle body.
All "Drive by Wire" systems have a fail safe mode:
Whenever it detects there is a small voltage difference between the two following sensors: Accelerator pedal sensor and the Throttle body sensor. It will tell the ECU to go to "Reduced Engine Power" mode.
On our controller, if any electronic fails within the unit, it simply goes back to SP0 ( Stock mode ). The program will default back to unaltered signal, straight from the accelerator to the throttle body, bypassing the PCB Board.
Ahmed
I had a couple of questions for Ahmed that seem to have been commonly asked on this (and also on the C6 General) forum. As is very typical for him, his responses were almost immediate.
I'm posting the questions and responses here, and will also post them in the C6 General section as well. I hope this helps someone as it helped me.
Drove the Vitesse again today and am very, very impressed!
Mike
Ahmed,
I installed the Vitesse throttle controller yesterday. HUGE difference. Very pleased and I let this be known on the Corvette forum.
However, a question: What exactly is this device doing? I mean, I know the end result is no throttle lag, but how/what is the device doing to accomplish this? Is it pre-opening the throttle plate for quicker response?
Only other question I've had, and in fact I've seen on the forum, is what kind of fail-safe procedure/software is in your product? One individual had his car unexplainedly
start revving to a high rpm, wanting to take off on him. I seem to recall some sort of pedal/throttle plate disagreement program within the ECM where the engine would automatically go into limp mode should a disagreement occur.
Does your throttle controller have some sort of similar software? Since the device is literally "tricking" (for lack of a better word) the ECM, would this fail-safe software still be effective/active?
Thanks
Mike
Hello Mike
Thank you for your nice comments.
The Controller is simply sending a signal to the Throttle Body bypassing the ECU that has some built-in delay that is originally there on purpose: For safety issues / fuel economy ...
The Controller is now sending a more linear signal without that built-in lag.
The higher you choose the settings, the faster the signal goes to the Throttle body.
All "Drive by Wire" systems have a fail safe mode:
Whenever it detects there is a small voltage difference between the two following sensors: Accelerator pedal sensor and the Throttle body sensor. It will tell the ECU to go to "Reduced Engine Power" mode.
On our controller, if any electronic fails within the unit, it simply goes back to SP0 ( Stock mode ). The program will default back to unaltered signal, straight from the accelerator to the throttle body, bypassing the PCB Board.
Ahmed
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Has anybody used the Vitesse Controller for HPDE's? If so good and bad please.
I do HPDE's with my 2007 C6 A6, 90k on stock drive train . Car has no power mods and I feel like this controller might give me more right pedal control/response.
Thanks
I do HPDE's with my 2007 C6 A6, 90k on stock drive train . Car has no power mods and I feel like this controller might give me more right pedal control/response.
Thanks
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Installed it today. Took about 10 minutes and was as simple as stated.
Setup was simple as well. No issues with the pedal connections as I was familiar with the setup after installing an all aluminum pedal set earlier.
Went for a short drive and it works as well as everyone else has stated and really makes the car feel much more (or less) "lively" depending on the setting chosen. On SP4 there is definitely a noticeable difference from stock on throttle "tip in" and more so at the higher settings.
Definitely an improvement and glad I chose to get it. It's the only performance mod to my otherwise stock 2013 GS with automatic.
Nice product that works as advertised and quick delivery. Nice job Ahmed!
Setup was simple as well. No issues with the pedal connections as I was familiar with the setup after installing an all aluminum pedal set earlier.
Went for a short drive and it works as well as everyone else has stated and really makes the car feel much more (or less) "lively" depending on the setting chosen. On SP4 there is definitely a noticeable difference from stock on throttle "tip in" and more so at the higher settings.
Definitely an improvement and glad I chose to get it. It's the only performance mod to my otherwise stock 2013 GS with automatic.
Nice product that works as advertised and quick delivery. Nice job Ahmed!
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