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Old Jan 18, 2016 | 09:22 PM
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I installed the Vitesse a little while back and was using the #7 setting. I then installed a supercharger and the throttle was way too sensitive. I was able to dial it back to #3 to make it more manageable. Mine is also my daily driver, so when I get caught in the rain, I dial it back a little more.
The best part about the Vitesse is the adjustment on the fly. I don't think you can do that with the "others"
The cow booster allows different settings for competitive mode, traction control off, and normal. Obviously I like more boost for competitive mode and less for normal. I think the Sprint booster has three settings too but I'm not sure how you access the different settings.
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Old Jan 18, 2016 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe_G
Increase the ramp rate of the throttle blade opening compared to the accelerator pedal depression (subject to torque management and traction control oversight)

Sprint and Vitesse are piggyback electronic devices. Cow booster is a tune adjustment. Two approaches to the same goal.

Sprint and cow allow 3 settings (some years two on cow I think). Vitesse has 9 settings. I tend to find the one I like and leave it (like my seat). Actually I use two on mine, one street, one track.

Thank you Joe. I'm going to limit my involvement in this thread... UNLESS I see information regarding

MY product that should be explained. Watch the forum for a new thread coming soon that explains the

differences between CoW BOOSTER! and other throttle boosting products.

"They all do the same thing." I see all too frequently... I disagree and I'll make that distinction very clear when

I finish my new thread. YES, we use the "Traction Control" button to switch between 2 different modes of CoW BOOSTER!

BUT, there can be an UNLIMITED number of profiles programmed into the ECM for CoW BOOSTER! operation and using

our AutoCal tuner you can install more options than you could ever invent in your head, including some of the custom

"THEFT / VALET" modes of CoW BOOSTER!.

For ALL 2005 Corvettes (We presently offer the ONLY Throttle Boosting option for 2005 cars and trucks) we have 3 switchable

Booster profiles and again, an unlimited number with our autocal device.

While we boast the fact that device can have unlimited profiles, the simple fact is that most people have or use only

one setting both with the competitors product and our own. You pick a sporty setting you like and it stays there forever.

(more on the multi setting feature in my next thread)

TRAWLER: Question. Is the Booster user adjustable or pre-set by Chuck?
Before loading a CoW BOOSTER! into a pcm the customer can discuss boosting needs/wants. YES, I can program and unlimited # of possible

profiles, but I usually suggest that the customer try the popular modes that we suggest based on mods as we get feedback from 1,000s of

people from....


MYREDHEAD1: I then added the cow booster and full tune. Car became a monster. Chuck confirmed that adding a ported TB is an extra "push" for the booster.


"If you really want some icing on the cake, do a booster and a ported TB. Trust me, you will be amazed"

CHUCK CoW: You're NUTS!

Yes, but not all ported throttle bodies are the same and thusly make CoW BOOSTER! settings perform differently in each different application with

all the various "porting" We absolutely discourage the use of ported throttle bodies in all applications for the many reasons discussed elsewhere.

Additionally, those with ported throttle bodies should make us aware that you have them BEFORE we install CoW BOOSTER! Ported throttle bodies

can compound the booster effect and make for unexpected results.


Similarly, Hard as it is to believe.... We have found people using CoW BOOSTER! in addition to OTHER throttle boosting products at the same time

and very clearly it can make for a very unsafe condition for you and your vehicle.


Joe_G: ^^^ the flip side of that argument is you are introducing a non-OEM component into your sensitive throttle by wire system.

Do you think if a similar item installed on a Toyota that Wrecked and was subject to the class action lawsuits that Toyota would have blamed that non-oem item for the failure? ... But tuning our computers is tried and true for over a decade to be reliable so I prefer that route to a non-oem device.
YES, Correct. Tuning OEM computers is tried, true, and tested. Our product leverages the 1,000% safety GM built into the ECM and the entire electronic throttle system. FWIW, nobody has

seen a problem modifying tunes that causes damage or uncontrolled operation with respect to the ECM itself. In other words, modifying the code with tuning software does not

damage the ECM itself, while adding wires,connectors, modules, crimps, resistance, added length of wire, buttons, leds, circuit boards manufactured wherever, or simply

having the end user install it, etc... to a system that was designed to be totally fail-safe.... could potentially render the system not-fail-safe.

Whereas, code and data that are "checksum verified" prior to re-flashing (as all tune changes are) pose no threat whatsoever to the function or reliability of the throttle system.


Joe, I believe that's the distinction you were trying to make....

I agree.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by russ472
I installed the Vitesse a little while back and was using the #7 setting. I then installed a supercharger and the throttle was way too sensitive. I was able to dial it back to #3 to make it more manageable. Mine is also my daily driver, so when I get caught in the rain, I dial it back a little more.
The best part about the Vitesse is the adjustment on the fly. I don't think you can do that with the "others"
And that is the greatest feature. Instant user control of 17 settings to match the conditions to suit by any driver is available.
Yes, those people who are the only driver and never drive in the rain and who rarely if ever, go WOT, can be satisfied with 1 to 3 settings, since they primarily relate SOTP and/or tire spin with power. However, with real power such as what you have with a DD in different weather and traction conditions at any given moment, limiting yourself to 3 options is not logical when 17 are at your fingertips.

There is no power difference on any of the systems that advance the throttle plate beyond the factory parameters, but only a sensation difference to the driver. The passenger feels nothing different. But the Vitesse system includes greater driver control over the throttle opening by de-sensitizing the pedal when conditions demand precise control for safety.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by russ472
I installed the Vitesse a little while back and was using the #7 setting. I then installed a supercharger and the throttle was way too sensitive. I was able to dial it back to #3 to make it more manageable. Mine is also my daily driver, so when I get caught in the rain, I dial it back a little more.
The best part about the Vitesse is the adjustment on the fly. I don't think you can do that with the "others"
I Agree!
1. 17 settings really does come in handy!
2. To be able to adjust it on the fly comes in handy as well, especially at the drag strip.
3. The installation is much easier and faster then the cow system.
The Cow system requires the removal of the ecm and shipping it to cow and going without your car for 1 or two weeks then installing the ecm back. And hope he got it right to your satisfaction.

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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 04:44 PM
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Default I really wish.....

Originally Posted by yellowmnm
I Agree!
1. 17 settings really does come in handy!
2. To be able to adjust it on the fly comes in handy as well, especially at the drag strip.
3. The installation is much easier and faster then the cow system.
The Cow system requires the removal of the ecm and shipping it to cow and going without your car for 1 or two weeks then installing the ecm back. And hope he got it right to your satisfaction.

WRONG.

My regular involvement in this thread is largely due to people making

comments about something that they know nothing about.



I really wish..... people would check with the vendor who offers the product

before taking the liberty of explaining how MY system works, especially when

they have ZERO experience with it, and never tried it.

When you want to bash MY product, please pay for it first and then try it....

Then open your own thread and I'll address you directly.


Your quote.

The Cow system requires the removal of the ecm and shipping it to cow and going without your car for 1 or two weeks then installing the ecm back. And hope he got it right to your satisfaction.
Is totally incorrect as I've got close to $40,000. of Corvette PCM cores here and

when an order is placed, a PCM cloned for you by vin # and is dispatched to you ready to

start and run. Your down time can actually be LESS than the competitor's product, but

for what it's worth.... We'll assume they are roughly the same considering your skill level.

Down time (or install time) can be in most cases 15 mins to an hour....NOT the 2 weeks you

suppose it might be. Install time is comparable to the other product.

You claim of 1 to 2 weeks was clearly unfounded and totally designed to be an attack

on a product you know nothing about.


For all facts regarding MY product, please call me any time at 914-332-0049

Thank you.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 06:55 PM
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Fired my shop yesterday and got tuned by another this afternoon. Love it when a tune can make ya smile. Last shop did not do much of anything to transmission although they said they did Ohhhhhhh so much. Now firm shifts!! And combined with the VITESSE Throttle Controller this car has come alive. Very very impressed. With transmission now tuned by a pro am able to enjoy.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
Is totally incorrect as I've got close to $40,000. of Corvette PCM cores here and

when an order is placed, a PCM cloned for you by vin # and is dispatched to you ready to

start and run. Your down time can actually be LESS than the competitor's product, but
That sounds like it would work for a stock car. But what if the customer already has a tune from another shop? Your cloned PCM will not have that custom tune in it.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 07:37 PM
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Default Good question....

Originally Posted by 5knives
That sounds like it would work for a stock car. But what if the customer already has a tune from another shop? Your cloned PCM will not have that custom tune in it.
Good question.... 1 out of 10 times I'll send an AutoCal loaner to retrieve your tune in advance and we can even PRE LOG it

so I know if the existing tune is even worth saving. Then, I'll have their exact tune to move into the cloned pcm. And you don't skip a beat.

The rest of the time, I'll make up something close to what you already have to get you by until I have your original.

A very small % of the time I'll ask you to send in your original and usually the case is when you have a CUSTOM

OPERATING SYSTEM by EfiLive or HPT. On those rare occasions you'll be without your pcm for a few days.

You would be very surprised, most tunes I get are hand-held mini tunes and most of the rest

are not worth saving in the first place.

I'm flexible and can accommodate you in many different ways.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
WRONG.

My regular involvement in this thread is largely due to people making

comments about something that they know nothing about.



I really wish..... people would check with the vendor who offers the product

before taking the liberty of explaining how MY system works, especially when

they have ZERO experience with it, and never tried it.

When you want to bash MY product, please pay for it first and then try it....

Then open your own thread and I'll address you directly.


Your quote.



Is totally incorrect as I've got close to $40,000. of Corvette PCM cores here and

when an order is placed, a PCM cloned for you by vin # and is dispatched to you ready to

start and run. Your down time can actually be LESS than the competitor's product, but

for what it's worth.... We'll assume they are roughly the same considering your skill level.

Down time (or install time) can be in most cases 15 mins to an hour....NOT the 2 weeks you

suppose it might be. Install time is comparable to the other product.

You claim of 1 to 2 weeks was clearly unfounded and totally designed to be an attack

on a product you know nothing about.


For all facts regarding MY product, please call me any time at 914-332-0049

Thank you.
Chuck CoW
My post is not unfounded as you say it is. I did not attack your product!
But I based my words on facts and personal experience.
I was also merely repeating what you told me on a personal phone call when I was shopping for a tune and read your post and called you. What I said on my post was merely repeating what you told me over our phone conversation. You also quoted me a price of $1000 for your tune and throttle boost package and you did tell me it could take as little
as a week, two tops if I didn't want to pay your $500 security deposit.
Why don't you act like a professional business, like the owners of the other products mention in these post, and keep your mouth shut and stay out of the members personal posts! Let the members come to their own decision, and quit trying to peddle your product! I cant count how many times you have butted into our posts. I'm personally sick of it.
Like many of the members have clearly said they all do the same thing,
It's matter of personal preference. SO BUT OUT!
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Originally Posted by yellowmnm
My post is not unfounded as you say it is. I did not attack your product!
But I based my words on facts and personal experience.
I was also merely repeating what you told me on a personal phone call when I was shopping for a tune and read your post and called you. What I said on my post was merely repeating what you told me over our phone conversation. You also quoted me a price of $1000 for your tune and throttle boost package and you did tell me it could take as little
as a week, two tops if I didn't want to pay your $500 security deposit.
Why don't you act like a professional business, like the owners of the other products mention in these post, and keep your mouth shut and stay out of the members personal posts! Let the members come to their own decision, and quit trying to peddle your product! I cant count how many times you have butted into our posts. I'm personally sick of it.
Like many of the members have clearly said they all do the same thing,
It's matter of personal preference. SO BUT OUT!
Well said.
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Originally Posted by yellowmnm
My post is not unfounded as you say it is. I did not attack your product!
But I based my words on facts and personal experience.
I was also merely repeating what you told me on a personal phone call when I was shopping for a tune and read your post and called you. What I said on my post was merely repeating what you told me over our phone conversation. You also quoted me a price of $1000 for your tune and throttle boost package and you did tell me it could take as little
as a week, two tops if I didn't want to pay your $500 security deposit.
Why don't you act like a professional business, like the owners of the other products mention in these post, and keep your mouth shut and stay out of the members personal posts! Let the members come to their own decision, and quit trying to peddle your product! I cant count how many times you have butted into our posts. I'm personally sick of it.
Like many of the members have clearly said they all do the same thing,
It's matter of personal preference. SO BUT OUT!
Originally Posted by Proud Owner
Well said.


I was thinking the same thing... I was typing this ........Well said

I don't think he was attacking you at all.... I think he was just doesn't know you send a PCM out and charge a core till you get the original PCM back.....

Wow you have 250+ pcms laying around ... that's a lot to store...

Your always the only one on here trying to put others down.. Thinking you know everything ,,,,, You don't see the sprint booster on here you don't see the VTC guys on here trying to put you or your product down...

Why not just take the high road and move on.. Its like peanut butter and jelly,,, some like peanut butter and some like jelly.. and some like both...
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowmnm
I was also merely repeating what you told me on a personal phone call when I was shopping for a tune and read your post and called you.MAYBE What I said on my post was merely repeating what you told me over our phone conversation. ABSOLUTELY NOT You also quoted me a price of $1000 for your tune and throttle boost package and you did tell me it could take as little
as a week, two tops if I didn't want to pay your $500 security deposit.ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING PHONE CALLS ARE ALWAYS RECORDED HERE----->You've got all your numbers and info screwed up.
Why don't you act like a professional business, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU. like the owners of the other products mention in these post, and keep your mouth shut and stay out of the members personal posts! NO, I PAY for this forum and when YOU mention ME anywhere and YOU are INCORRECT - I WILL CORRECT YOU.Let the members come to their own decision, and quit trying to peddle your product! NO. I PAY HERE. YOU GO AWAY. I cant count how many times you have butted into our posts. I'm personally sick of it. REFRAIN FROM USING MY NAME OR COMMENTING ON MY PRODUCTS....And I will gladly but out.
Like many of the members have clearly said they all do the same thing,
It's matter of personal preference. SO BUT OUT! RELAX TOUGH GUY.
Thank you.
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Old Jan 20, 2016 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ptroxx
I think he was just doesn't know you send a PCM out and charge a core till you get the original PCM back.....

Wow you have 250+ pcms laying around ... that's a lot to store...ACTUALLY, they take up very little space.

Why not just take the high road and move on.. WHEN YOU ADDRESS ME OR MY PRODUCTS PUBLICLY..... EXPECT ME TO BE INVOLVED.



Actually, our inventory is only about 200 pcms & tcms ranging in price from $100 to $400.+ (not counting 1980 - 1996 controllers)

The above image was posted in 2013. Most of the ECMs are out on the road as a revolving core bank that makes my

work possible the way I like to do it. Most of the time, I DO NOT charge a CORE CHARGE and when I do its very small.

Now, it's 2016 and the core bank has nearly trippled since 2013 from Early C5 to Late C7.

Thank you for asking.
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Now that this BS has been posted now back on topic. VITESSE THROTTLE CONTROLLER

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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW

Thank you for asking.
Chuck CoW

I never asked you anything , But I knew you would chime in cause that's who you are....


And that's why many don't like you here, or on the other sites I frequent .. GTO site, Camaro site, Trailblazer site to name a few...you just never know when to move on....
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He's like a very aggressive panhandler. Lol
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He's like a very aggressive panhandler. Lol
Worse .....LOL
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Judging on the past few day's postings....shady character's redundant snake oil sale justifications are like a desperate death song.......

Additional legitimate sales threat in the near future.....compound not only from the already happy owners and future potential owner...for '06 + model with the available Vitesse Controller....

According to Vitesse...'05 version is soon to be available.....according to the PM response from the owner of Vitesse....

'05 crowd didn't have choice before....among many, less gulliable.... I avoided the shady character's product - happy day is soon around the corner.

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Originally Posted by ptroxx
Worse .....LOL
Much much worse
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Originally Posted by victorf
Judging on the past few day's postings....shady character's redundant snake oil sale justifications are like a desperate death song.......

Additional legitimate sales threat in the near future.....compound not only from the already happy owners and future potential owner...for '06 + model with the available Vitesse Controller....

According to Vitesse...'05 version is soon to be available.....according to the PM response from the owner of Vitesse....

'05 crowd didn't have choice before....among many, less gulliable.... I avoided the shady character's product - happy day is soon around the corner.

I hope the 05 guys get this.
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