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well why have a dyno thread if you the OP dont understand the dyno game?
I posted my examples of how just the correction methods mess with numbers...so if everyone else is posting these...I guess I'll go with my highest dyno i had...the 483 rwhp 430rwtq...please update mine so i can feel good about myself
cause im not a doucher like you, leave it be
numbers are numbers its here for people to post them
take it up with them in a PM if you have a problem with them
numbers are numbers its here for people to post them
take it up with them in a PM if you have a problem with them
wow, I kinda like kurts idea, but you started the thread...although I will say it would get complicated b/c dynos correct for weather conditions and ets aren't unless you try and use nhra corrections which can vary...fwiw 373/357=118.7 when cam only at 2800ft da, ~122mph corrected
rather be a doucher than a moron...numbers are numbers huh...so what about guys usung a legit mustang dyno vs those ujsing dyojets...numbers wise you cant even begin to compare the two
numbers are numbers its here for people to post them
take it up with them in a PM if you have a problem with them
This thread is pointless then especially if you don't even know what the terminology means. You can't have a list and mix and match all different dyno types correction factors etc and have it logically make sense to the newbie like yourself that don't know SAE from STD and Mustang Dyno from Dynojet.
I agree with what your saying,but in reality does it really make a difference in the real world? My dyno numbers are 605/589,now if they were 545/529 or 645/629 based on some dyno manipulations would that really affect my performance at the track...we all know that the answer is no. So in my opinion dyno numbers are just that "numbers" and if the track performance is lacking (trap MPH) then you know that the dyno numbers are inflated or if the performance is far better (trap speed) than the numbers posted then just the opposite is true. Some guys believe or want to believe some of the ridicules dyno numbers they post (not pertaining to this tread). I guess those numbers are good for their ego, so be it. However,it doesn't make their car any faster!
Here is where I agree and strongly disagree.
I will ask you this. What are dynos used for these days? I'll answer it, MARKETING.
If a shop hides the correction factor or uses whatever the highest one is they will post it up to market their product. Then junior will save his minimum wage paycheck for 4 months to buy the said product expecting the same only to fall WAY short and wonder why. Its happens way to much this day and age and it disgusts me. Thats why it matters, its even worse when a shop up north weather station reads 90 degrees in December so they get that spectacular number and have it read SAE only to not post the weather data for the pulls.
Does it matter that myself only dynos 457rwhp and chops heads off those cars that dyno 480+? Heck no but the difference is I know what Im looking for when buying mods and 90% of people just resort to the flavor of the week mods or whichever ones post the highest results online.
I will play devils advocate just to mess with Kurt. MPH won't settle much either. Mine ran 136.12 at 555/505rw in street trim. Rob Z's car ran 139 with around 500rw on a dyno jet. So who's car actually makes more power? Who's car would out run the others from a 60 roll?
Thanks for the compliment 123. It sucks that you are not driving the thing. Summer is going to be over soon and good air is comming. I was hoping you would get used to it when the weather was bad and it was down on power. It is a beast in cold air on any kind of tire. I want to hear some numbers on a 225 shot.
PRAY quit talking about your car!!!!!!! You keep hurting my feelings ya know
You can't gauge a cars performance by MPH either ladies. MPH is a factor of HP/Weight/Shifting 6spds/Air conditions/Where the power curve is made at and finally RPM
So RobZ's car can weigh 200lbs lighter then PRAY's car and yup its gonna take all that 50rwhp to match that weight for sure. Take 200lbs out of PRAY's old car and hold on to your DIP STICK JIMMY! Hello 140's!!!!
I personally think Blu is angry at the world of dynos. However I think dynos main purpose is for marketing but its a great tuning tool to baseline the car see changes in performance with tuning or modification. Yes the best tuning is done at the track or street.
if you have a problem with there horsepower numbers talk to them about it, then if u get them to admitt there bs, send me the real numbers
cause frankly i dont care, im getting there numbers and putting them up, i have changed them seeing people lie then lookin at there sig and its different
i get them and i post them
im going to take their word at first, its like its permanent and i cant edit it
Wouldn't that be you Mr I'm selling my car after it made 530 because you wanted 550+
My car has always been a turd on the dyno.
Actually sir if you read correctly the car made 552rwhp/510rwtq on one dyno 248 dyno and 545rwhp on the same old dyno I did the 538rwhp. Plus the car only has 2000 miles on it now. Soooo i'm sure i'll hit my goal just fine Especially once i go synthetic oil aswell will help with the breakin mileage done.
Dont worry If i sell it, the C6Z06 will be spanking you stock with some DR's
Actually sir if you read correctly the car made 552rwhp/510rwtq on one dyno 248 dyno and 545rwhp on the same old dyno I did the 538rwhp. Plus the car only has 2000 miles on it now. Soooo i'm sure i'll hit my goal just fine Especially once i go synthetic oil aswell will help with the breakin mileage done.
Dont worry If i sell it, the C6Z06 will be spanking you stock with some DR's
I'm talking about right after you made 538 Nancy. I realize it made 552 and it hit your goals by now.
Post your numbers for the OP to put on his "list" JIMMY before I beat you with your dipstick.
Actually sir if you read correctly the car made 552rwhp/510rwtq on one dyno 248 dyno and 545rwhp on the same old dyno I did the 538rwhp. Plus the car only has 2000 miles on it now. Soooo i'm sure i'll hit my goal just fine Especially once i go synthetic oil aswell will help with the breakin mileage done.
Dont worry If i sell it, the C6Z06 will be spanking you stock with some DR's
ahem
Originally Posted by Fartpipe
FOR SALE LADIES!!!!!!!
The peak bothers me the most! The drivability next and then the lower #'s. The numbers are the least of my worries right now IMO. At the track i'm going to be way over my peak HP when going through 4th gear. Theres no way in hell the car is going to be able to perform as desired with the PEAK HP at that RPM PERIOD! Basically its all Kurtomac and Blu's FAULT!
Blu I'm gonna punch you in the JIMMY and beat you with your DIPSTICK! I'll get my post up with the graph if I can find the post. Kurtilicsous has both I think. The driveability was absolutely horrible at that time I agree and the #'s of the 190mile motor were not what I want and it peaks lower then it should yes. However #'s are on, got 2k miles breakin in.
PRAY quit talking about your car!!!!!!! You keep hurting my feelings ya know
You can't gauge a cars performance by MPH either ladies. MPH is a factor of HP/Weight/Shifting 6spds/Air conditions/Where the power curve is made at and finally RPM
So RobZ's car can weigh 200lbs lighter then PRAY's car and yup its gonna take all that 50rwhp to match that weight for sure. Take 200lbs out of PRAY's old car and hold on to your DIP STICK JIMMY! Hello 140's!!!!
I personally think Blu is angry at the world of dynos. However I think dynos main purpose is for marketing but its a great tuning tool to baseline the car see changes in performance with tuning or modification. Yes the best tuning is done at the track or street.
Really, how profound of you...NOT. The MPH HP equation used by the performance calculators are based on weight to HP ratio. So primarily what it is tell you is that a car weighing 3400# going 138 MPH is making approximately 600 RWHP on that pass under said conditions. All of the other factors you mentioned are only a part of the equation that produced the trap MPH on that one pass. Trap speed can be calculated into HP produced,thus giving you a reasonable tool (within approximately 2%) so as to compare your dyno numbers (HP) with the actual HP produced at the traps. As always this is based on a competent driver and under reasonable weather conditions.
Robz car running in very good weather condition was making some serious HP as evidenced by his high MPH in relationship to the supposed dyno HP produced,this was far more than a mire 50 HP could have contributed too.
Last edited by 98vettedave; Aug 4, 2009 at 04:21 PM.
I truly think Robs car could go 9.5's at 145 with my "OLD" motor in it. I think him and I are about even drivers. And as we all know with M6/12 cars, it is all about the driver. But Robs car is so great because every thing is sorted out and optomized for the 1/4. Remember that I never got to make a pass with my last dyno numbers. So my 10.21@136 would easily fall with better weather and the extra 25/25rw the car now has. It should have been a 9 sec pass if it didn't spin on every stinking shift and dive for the center line on the 3/4.
Here are some of the factors playing into the whole equation as to why Robs car is "faster and quicker" than my old car. Rob has worked heads, missing pass seat, soft lock clutch, 2-step, 4.11 gears, custom trans with m6 gearing, suspension mods, bogarts, MT ET DR's 26", traps at 7,200rpm and 1.40 60ft's, E-town and Atco. I have out of the box heads, all interior, tex twin, launching on my own, 3.42 gears, built MN12 trans with heavy internals and out put shafts and stock gearing, no suspension mods, GTO spare/Camaro wheels with ET Street slicks that are atleast 28" tall at the end of the track, 6,000 trap rpm, 1.5x 60ft's, Fayettevill MSP.
Rob took the time and money to make every part of his car work flawlessly for him. I wish I could have done the same. Robs car will stay on top for a long time. It defies what we think we know about cubes, weight and power. He has a truly amazing set up. So I guess what I am saying is that there are a ton of factors that go into ET and MPH. HP is probably the smallest part to tell the truth. You want to see who's numbers are legit. Line both cars up at 60 or so and have at it. That is a true hp race.