New crate engine is now a steam engine....bad problem...
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St. Jude Donor '11, '16-'17
Originally Posted by David Ey
you can see on the piston and head when this happens and I can't see how it could get into the pan.
You'd have to have a big hole in your piston for anything to get past it into the pan.
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St. Jude '03-'04-'05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10
Hope this works out in your favor 
I see you found cracks in the bore. Hot combustion chamber and cool water
The quenching of the aluminum piston top could easily fracture that piece off.
I'll be watching this thread closely as I'll be needing another motor for my '77 in the near future.
Jeff
I see you found cracks in the bore. Hot combustion chamber and cool water
The quenching of the aluminum piston top could easily fracture that piece off. I'll be watching this thread closely as I'll be needing another motor for my '77 in the near future.
Jeff
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From: Leander Texas
That is some really bad QC. If you did everything right they should warrany it for full replacement, and labor. Is the heat tab melted? engine builders will put a heat sensitive tab on an engine that will melt if the engine overheats. The builder may ask for a picture of it to prove its condition. If it is melted you will most likely not get anything from them.
Good Luck!!!
DR. Jay
Good Luck!!!
DR. Jay
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St. Jude Donor '11, '16-'17
Originally Posted by David Ey
WTF?
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Melting Slicks
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From: Madison Ms
Originally Posted by Twin_Turbo
the top ring land broke usually a sign of detonation, chan ces are the cylinder wall is cracked in that cylinder.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09
Originally Posted by bobs77vet
does detonation usually destroy the cylinders too?
trw
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From: Ft.Worth Texas
Originally Posted by The_Dude
It means "I agree" and is not meant to be offensive. They had to add the "I agree" emoticon because too many people did get offended. Sorry, I should have used the other one.
Is that Nixon bowling?
Last edited by David Ey; Mar 7, 2006 at 09:04 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '05, '09, '15
The broken piston and cracked cylinder may be symptoms not the cause. Fluids do not compress and if enough coolant got in that cylinder on the compression stroke things will break. Especially if the engine is cranking up a bit. Turn the engine over to TDC on that cylimnder and see if the piston comes all the way up. If the rod is bent it may be one more clue coolant in the cylinder was the cause of the damage.
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From: Ft.Worth Texas
I expect the rod to be bent. Detonation can cause this too but I suspect the cylinder was cracked first and it tried to compress coolant bending only one rod. Probably caused by a blown head gasket.
If I owned Blueprint I would exchange you a new motor no charge and pay all shipping. This is probably rare and I can't think of a better way to get some good publicity. My money is on them replacing it. But if they don't. put her on E-Bay
If I owned Blueprint I would exchange you a new motor no charge and pay all shipping. This is probably rare and I can't think of a better way to get some good publicity. My money is on them replacing it. But if they don't. put her on E-Bay
Last edited by David Ey; Mar 7, 2006 at 09:41 PM.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Madison Ms
Originally Posted by Sky65
The broken piston and cracked cylinder may be symptoms not the cause. Fluids do not compress and if enough coolant got in that cylinder on the compression stroke things will break. Especially if the engine is cranking up a bit. Turn the engine over to TDC on that cylimnder and see if the piston comes all the way up. If the rod is bent it may be one more clue coolant in the cylinder was the cause of the damage.
Good thing is, I have a very sharp operation that is going to check everything on this, but I have another concern about my written approval for third party inspection, and it has to do with the wording. The part that is in bold basically says I can't alter the engine, meaning only a visible inspection is allowed. WTF? I didn't catch that the first time. Do y'all read that this way? Sneaky biatch's....If I pull anything else off the motor, then I have altered it. That may not be what they mean, but you can surely read it that way.
" You will not void the warranty by having a 3rd party inspect the eng.
We do need the engine put back together as you find it. Do not do any
repairs or alterations to the engine. Marshall Engines will not be
responsible for any of the cost for this inspection. If you give us a copy
of what your inspection finds we can address it in our inspection.
Marshall Engines will have to inspect the engine to see if it falls under
warranty.
Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by MsVetteMan
" You will not void the warranty by having a 3rd party inspect the eng.
We do need the engine put back together as you find it. Do not do any
repairs or alterations to the engine. Marshall Engines will not be
responsible for any of the cost for this inspection. If you give us a copy
of what your inspection finds we can address it in our inspection.
Marshall Engines will have to inspect the engine to see if it falls under
warranty.
We do need the engine put back together as you find it. Do not do any
repairs or alterations to the engine. Marshall Engines will not be
responsible for any of the cost for this inspection. If you give us a copy
of what your inspection finds we can address it in our inspection.
Marshall Engines will have to inspect the engine to see if it falls under
warranty.
Melting Slicks
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From: Keizer Oregon
To me that means substituting any components or repairing any "damage that could be attributed to you" ....I think a disassembly and inspection by a competent and reputable engine builder would not fall under this description...
Racer
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From: Enfield CT
Please tell us you paid by credit card???I am ASE certified in engine repair and no way, no how did you cause this! All this talk about detonation is poop too!If your timing was so advanced to cause this, the engine would have cranked so slow you would have noticed it!! Please call your credit card company and tell them that this company sent you a defective engine and would like them to credit you back.Most times they will credit you back and put the burden back on the merchant.