Torque Management System - C6
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by jimman
Can't sell button it's already there.
I suppose that after almost 2 years of C6 production, still having THE quickest/fastest bolt ons C6 LS2 (11.5@118+) AS WELL AS the two quickest/fastest heads and cam C6 LS2s (a manual running 10.9@127+ and an auto running 10.8@125+) to date is all just smoke and mirrors as well right?
Not to mention the stock motored turbo C6 running 10.6@130+ and the LONG list of C5 record setting C5 they've built. They're going to risk their internationally respected reputation over the sale of one little electronic part?
Dude, you're criticizing/questioning people with qualifications, knowledge and credentials that FAR outweigh your own, quite bold and even a bit obnoxious of you IMO.
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Oh so the Cartek module was all just a gimmick, a scam even huh?
I suppose that after almost 2 years of C6 production, still having THE quickest/fastest bolt ons C6 LS2 (11.5@118+) AS WELL AS the two quickest/fastest heads and cam C6 LS2s (a manual running 10.9@127+ and an auto running 10.8@125+) to date is all just smoke and mirrors as well right?
Not to mention the stock motored turbo C6 running 10.6@130+ and the LONG list of C5 record setting C5 they've built. They're going to risk their internationally respected reputation over the sale of one little electronic part?
Dude, you're criticizing/questioning people with qualifications, knowledge and credentials that FAR outweigh your own, quite bold and even a bit obnoxious of you IMO.
I suppose that after almost 2 years of C6 production, still having THE quickest/fastest bolt ons C6 LS2 (11.5@118+) AS WELL AS the two quickest/fastest heads and cam C6 LS2s (a manual running 10.9@127+ and an auto running 10.8@125+) to date is all just smoke and mirrors as well right?
Not to mention the stock motored turbo C6 running 10.6@130+ and the LONG list of C5 record setting C5 they've built. They're going to risk their internationally respected reputation over the sale of one little electronic part?
Dude, you're criticizing/questioning people with qualifications, knowledge and credentials that FAR outweigh your own, quite bold and even a bit obnoxious of you IMO.
Last edited by jimman; Aug 10, 2006 at 03:21 AM.
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by jimman
As far as their times I just don't get excited with driving a car 1400 feet in a straight line anything to brag about.
But then if you're not even remotely interested in drag racing results (what both that module you so rudely dismiss (and even this whole TM discussion in general) is trying to help improve upon) and better street performance I must ask, what the hell are you doing posting, even criticizing no less, in a freakin C6 TECH/PERFORMANCE section for?!
Originally Posted by jimman
Come to think of it, my last home, that's how long the driveway was.
I got some nice things too if ya want to hear about 'em.
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
That's fine, no law states that one must race their Corvette or use it in a sporting manner...the world needs posers and wannabes too.
But then if you're not even remotely interested in drag racing results (what both that module you so rudely dismiss (and even this whole TM discussion in general) is trying to help improve upon) and better street performance I must ask, what the hell are you doing posting, even criticizing no less, in a freakin C6 TECH/PERFORMANCE section for?!
Is that a brag by any chance?
I got some nice things too if ya want to hear about 'em.
But then if you're not even remotely interested in drag racing results (what both that module you so rudely dismiss (and even this whole TM discussion in general) is trying to help improve upon) and better street performance I must ask, what the hell are you doing posting, even criticizing no less, in a freakin C6 TECH/PERFORMANCE section for?!
Is that a brag by any chance?
I got some nice things too if ya want to hear about 'em.
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Not a shill pal, just have my eyes open and am accepting reality, try it some time.
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From: Corpus Christi Texas
I took my new non-Z51 A6 C6 to HRP tonight, and I promise that TM exists.
It's not as pronounced on the street, but at the track it's obvious.
I've raced at HRP on a regular basis for 15 years, in dozens of different cars, so it's not as if I'm offering an opinion based on my first trip out. I have hundreds of passes in a 2002 A4 Z28, 2.73's with a stock converter and tranny.
Either in competition mode or TC/AH off, in sport mode without paddle shifting-
The car WILL NOT chirp the tires off the line, and has a dead spot for the first 150'-200' and then it takes off like it should until it bogs on the shifts. It was so obvious that my gearhead father was at the track watching me, and he commented on it after my first run thinking I was doing it on purpose.
My best run with a horrible (for HRP) 1962' DA and 1000 miles on the car was a 12.98 at 109.86 with a 1.98 60'. (12.69/112 corrected)
I got my best 60's by "flashing" the converter, but after the initial surge out of the hole, the car fell on it's face.
It's not as pronounced on the street, but at the track it's obvious.
I've raced at HRP on a regular basis for 15 years, in dozens of different cars, so it's not as if I'm offering an opinion based on my first trip out. I have hundreds of passes in a 2002 A4 Z28, 2.73's with a stock converter and tranny.
Either in competition mode or TC/AH off, in sport mode without paddle shifting-
The car WILL NOT chirp the tires off the line, and has a dead spot for the first 150'-200' and then it takes off like it should until it bogs on the shifts. It was so obvious that my gearhead father was at the track watching me, and he commented on it after my first run thinking I was doing it on purpose.
My best run with a horrible (for HRP) 1962' DA and 1000 miles on the car was a 12.98 at 109.86 with a 1.98 60'. (12.69/112 corrected)
I got my best 60's by "flashing" the converter, but after the initial surge out of the hole, the car fell on it's face.
Last edited by jlking; Sep 11, 2006 at 12:58 AM.
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From: Bloomingdale IL
Originally Posted by jlking
I took my new non-Z51 A6 C6 to HRP tonight, and I promise that TM exists.
It's not as pronounced on the street, but at the track it's obvious.
I've raced at HRP on a regular basis for 15 years, in dozens of different cars, so it's not as if I'm offering an opinion based on my first trip out. I have hundreds of passes in a 2002 A4 Z28, 2.73's with a stock converter and tranny.
Either in competition mode or TC/AH off, in sport mode without paddle shifting-
The car WILL NOT chirp the tires off the line, and has a dead spot for the first 150'-200' and then it takes off like it should until it bogs on the shifts. It was so obvious that my gearhead father was at the track watching me, and he commented on it after my first run thinking I was doing it on purpose.
My best run with a horrible (for HRP) 1962' DA and 1000 miles on the car was a 12.98 at 109.86 with a 1.98 60'. (12.69/112 corrected)
I got my best 60's by "flashing" the converter, but after the initial surge out of the hole, the car fell on it's face.
It's not as pronounced on the street, but at the track it's obvious.
I've raced at HRP on a regular basis for 15 years, in dozens of different cars, so it's not as if I'm offering an opinion based on my first trip out. I have hundreds of passes in a 2002 A4 Z28, 2.73's with a stock converter and tranny.
Either in competition mode or TC/AH off, in sport mode without paddle shifting-
The car WILL NOT chirp the tires off the line, and has a dead spot for the first 150'-200' and then it takes off like it should until it bogs on the shifts. It was so obvious that my gearhead father was at the track watching me, and he commented on it after my first run thinking I was doing it on purpose.
My best run with a horrible (for HRP) 1962' DA and 1000 miles on the car was a 12.98 at 109.86 with a 1.98 60'. (12.69/112 corrected)
I got my best 60's by "flashing" the converter, but after the initial surge out of the hole, the car fell on it's face.
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From: Livingston Texas
Originally Posted by c6nut
I have ran almost identical to you with my 06' A6 Z51. My question is does the Catrek TM Module really work or help with your 60' times?
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by c6nut
I have ran almost identical to you with my 06' A6 Z51. My question is does the Catrek TM Module really work or help with your 60' times?
but it's for the manuals only, won't work on the automatics. 
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It absoultely exists. I asked Mike Norris about it before he tuned my car and he confirmed it, and said he could take out all or some of it. I told him to get rid of it!
The results were OUTSTANDING. Getting an LS2 tuned is a huge difference, 10x as much as a LS1 tune did for SOTP difference.
I dynoed 370 rwhp before the tune, 424 after. But more importantly, it feels like different car. It is now snappy where before it was lethargic.
Here's a link to my results:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1495324
I now consider a tune the best mod for the money of a LS2.
The results were OUTSTANDING. Getting an LS2 tuned is a huge difference, 10x as much as a LS1 tune did for SOTP difference.
I dynoed 370 rwhp before the tune, 424 after. But more importantly, it feels like different car. It is now snappy where before it was lethargic.
Here's a link to my results:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1495324
I now consider a tune the best mod for the money of a LS2.
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From: Annandale VA
Whether it's the Cartek TM module or the HPTuners software, doesn't offer much for the A6. HPTuners has a beta version out that provides access to the A6 control tables, but to my knowledge no tuners have figured out how to mod those tables and/or the TM that's applied at the tranny level.
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From: Shiloh Ohio
Originally Posted by HITMAN99
Whether it's the Cartek TM module or the HPTuners software, doesn't offer much for the A6. HPTuners has a beta version out that provides access to the A6 control tables, but to my knowledge no tuners have figured out how to mod those tables and/or the TM that's applied at the tranny level.
Personally I am leaning more and more towards leaving TM active in my C6. I race once or twice a week just as a hobby. I think TM will definitely extend my tranny and rear end life. I know this is not a popular view, so flame away.
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Originally Posted by c6nut
I have ran almost identical to you with my 06' A6 Z51. My question is does the Catrek TM Module really work or help with your 60' times?
I don't know, I don't have any tune. The car is bone stock.
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Originally Posted by shurite44
Hitman there was a thread a few days ago and I believe an HP tuner person announced the release of the A6 software for the tranny.
Personally I am leaning more and more towards leaving TM active in my C6. I race once or twice a week just as a hobby. I think TM will definitely extend my tranny and rear end life. I know this is not a popular view, so flame away.
Personally I am leaning more and more towards leaving TM active in my C6. I race once or twice a week just as a hobby. I think TM will definitely extend my tranny and rear end life. I know this is not a popular view, so flame away.
I would probably also choose to leave it on, but I would certainly like to have the option to turn turn down its effects. That would be the best for me. I seldom go to the track, will never run DRs, but would like a peppy driving experience.
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From: springtown tx
You mean these cars have torque management!!!!!!!! Who would of though it. A few months ago you mentioned it and they wanted to burn you at the stake. And now we have posts with people freely speaking of it as though it definately exists. 
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From: Shiloh Ohio
Originally Posted by HITMAN99
That announcement was for the beta version I mentioned. If you go to the HPTuners website, it is not even mentioned yet. Very few tuners have had any time to learn how to use it yet.
I would probably also choose to leave it on, but I would certainly like to have the option to turn turn down its effects. That would be the best for me. I seldom go to the track, will never run DRs, but would like a peppy driving experience.
I would probably also choose to leave it on, but I would certainly like to have the option to turn turn down its effects. That would be the best for me. I seldom go to the track, will never run DRs, but would like a peppy driving experience.
I thought I read a post telling us to start asking our tuners about the A6 because it was released. Maybe I was dreaming again.
Well that would be nice, I would think if you have HP tuner you will soon have this option. Could you store several tunes on your lab top and just install the one you wanted at the time? I plan to do this with my car. I want a tune for the drag strip with the idle turned up a little.
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Well this is one thread I wasn't planning-on venturing into but WTH....I recently did the Lingenfelter 403 package conversion, LG Pro long tubes, etc. on my 2005 C6 coupe. After getting together with a couple local Corvette owners/Forum members and showing them my mods....the question of torque management came up. The following quote is directly from the LPE trained personnel at 21MC.....
"....We do eliminate some TQ Mgmt in the edit but this should have no effect on traction control...."
That's my story and I'm sticking to it....peace
"....We do eliminate some TQ Mgmt in the edit but this should have no effect on traction control...."
That's my story and I'm sticking to it....peace
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by zippin zee
You mean these cars have torque management!!!!!!!! Who would of though it. A few months ago you mentioned it and they wanted to burn you at the stake. And now we have posts with people freely speaking of it as though it definately exists.
