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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 10:17 PM
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Faatcat, you have to learn to pay attention to details. The kit you ordered uses these pistons:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-h345acp30

Note that these pistons have a 1.548" compression height. This is .012" less than the stock 1.56" for a stock 350. They are going to add .012" to your piston-to-deck clearance, increasing your quench distance. Has Summit shipped it yet?


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Originally Posted by scottyp99
Faatcat, you have to learn to pay attention to details. The kit you ordered uses these pistons:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-h345acp30

Note that these pistons have a 1.548" compression height. This is .012" less than the stock 1.56" for a stock 350. They are going to add .012" to your piston-to-deck clearance, increasing your quench distance. Has Summit shipped it yet?


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No, I just ordered..I can call them. I called and tried to talk to them about what I was doing and they really acted like I was just bothering them. Somewhere in this thread, I was told to talk to them when I ordered but I guess that didn't work out so well.

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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
No, I just ordered..I can call them. I called and tried to talk to them about what I was doing and they really acted like I was just bothering them. Somewhere in this thread, I was told to talk to them when I ordered but I guess that didn't work out so well.
Seeing that you are spending almost $300.00 for a rebuild kit you have the right to "Bother Them" all you want.
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 10:51 PM
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Seeing that you are spending almost $300.00 for a rebuild kit you have the right to "Bother Them" all you want.
On the phone with them now, I need to be at 1.56?
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 11:03 PM
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Here are some options they can still make the change. Would this work?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-wh345acp30
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-wh345ncp30
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-17350-30
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
On the phone with them now, I need to be at 1.56?
I live about 3 miles from Summit, if they give you a hard time let me know I will go straighten them out for ya!
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jays78
I live about 3 miles from Summit, if they give you a hard time let me know I will go straighten them out for ya!
thanks jays78

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-wh345acp30
Went with these...Scottyp99 talk to me!
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 01:20 AM
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practice this line for dealing with snooty tech people "I'm so sorry to bother you, is there anyone there who won't be bothered by my questions?" any answer other than "I'm sorry" simply say, "I'm having trouble talking to you, could I speak with someone else?"

and at Summit, should you reach more than one snoot, let me know, I'll put you in contact with someone whose job description includes performing attitude adjustments....
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Originally Posted by scottyp99
Faatcat, you have to learn to pay attention to details. The kit you ordered uses these pistons:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-h345acp30

Note that these pistons have a 1.548" compression height. This is .012" less than the stock 1.56" for a stock 350. They are going to add .012" to your piston-to-deck clearance, increasing your quench distance. Has Summit shipped it yet?


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good call seeing that Scott!
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 10:34 AM
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good call seeing that Scott!
Yes! Scott, I really appreciate that!
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I don't see where the problem is? If he gets a thinner head gasket or small chamber heads he'll be fine. If it a little to low. i'm pretty sure hes not using the 76cc stock heads. Personally I think they'll fit right in with a .030 head gasket that comes with kit

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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:13 AM
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Piston compression height is one of those little details that quite a few people are not even aware of. I just recently became aware of it myself, within the last couple of years. It's the distance between the center of the wrist pin and the face of the piston, in case anybody is wondering.

If your block has not been decked, you will probably want to go with the stock 1.56", in order to keep the piston-to-deck height at .025", so that you will be able to keep quench at ~.040" with a .015" head gasket (.015 + .025 = .040"). Quench is the distance between the face of the piston and the head at TDC.

The Devil is in the details, brother!




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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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Iam posting this for future grasshoppers to read! HA

http://www.enginehones.com/technical.html
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Originally Posted by hugie82
I don't see where the problem is? If he gets a thinner head gasket or small chamber heads he'll be fine. If it a little to low. i'm pretty sure hes not using the 76cc stock heads. Personally I think they'll fit right in with a .030 head gasket that comes with kit
Originally Posted by scottyp99
Piston compression height is one of those little details that quite a few people are not even aware of. I just recently became aware of it myself, within the last couple of years. It's the distance between the center of the wrist pin and the face of the piston, in case anybody is wondering.

If your block has not been decked, you will probably want to go with the stock 1.56", in order to keep the piston-to-deck height at .025", so that you will be able to keep quench at ~.040" with a .015" head gasket (.015 + .025 = .040"). Quench is the distance between the face of the piston and the head at TDC.

The Devil is in the details, brother!




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So did you guys see that I called Summit and changed the pistons? With this being the case, do I also need to change the head gasket?
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by jays78
I live about 3 miles from Summit, if they give you a hard time let me know I will go straighten them out for ya!
Does anybody have some bail money for Jay? Ya know......just in case.....


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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by scottyp99
Does anybody have some bail money for Jay? Ya know......just in case.....


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No but I have some old pistons I can send him to throw at them from the getaway car...
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
So did you guys see that I called Summit and changed the pistons? With this being the case, do I also need to change the head gasket?
I would say that you should get the bottom end assembled, then measure the piston-to-deck height, and then choose a head gasket thickness that will allow the quench distance to be as close to .040" as possible.


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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scottyp99
I would say that you should get the bottom end assembled, then measure the piston-to-deck height, and then choose a head gasket thickness that will allow the quench distance to be as close to .040" as possible.


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Well that sure takes the guess work out of it!
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by FatCat
Iam posting this for future grasshoppers to read! HA

http://www.enginehones.com/technical.html
That is some great info, there!

Ummmm.......did anybody else get a little.......excited......when the English lady in the video started talking about how to stroke the tool?


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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by scottyp99
That is some great info, there!

Ummmm.......did anybody else get a little.......exited......when the English lady in the video started talking about how to stroke the tool?


Scott
HAHAHA!

I did notice the hone grit according to the numbers is 300-400 getting ready to go get one and start today> Hope I can find the right grit.
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