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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidin
Hello,

While I don't own a C8, a friend does. He doesn't use social media, and asked if I would post this for him.

His C8 convertible has an issue which he considers a design flaw. He said that if you open your driver's door on a convertible with the top up, after the battery has died, the window will scrape the A pillar.

Here's a video he had taken to show it:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sHP...BMX1jtuDjlIUjs
can he use the key fob to open the HTC and then get in the car to reprogram the windows as somebody else mentioned on page 30 of the owners manual? Sorry I guess I assumed the power was back on but he was getting scraping on the doors. I have no clue but to open the door slowly if there is no power.

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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
I think @Raiden is talking about opening the door while the battery is dead which is the only way you can get access to the battery unless the frunk is already open. Hopefully it doesn't cause permanent paint damage to the A pillar. You could probably connect power to the alternator wire from underneath the car to open the frunk but that would be a hassle. You could run a charging wire to outside the frunk if you are really concerned about it happening in the future. Or perhaps a cable connected to the frunk latch like the one inside the car.

But, yes, the windows will likely need to be re-indexed after a power loss.
Oops, sorry. Page 18 says there's a manual release cable inside under the dash.

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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidin
Thanks for the reply. I talked to my friend about what you said, and he told me he's been through the manual more than once, and didn't see this. He said you have to open the door to unlatch the frunk to get to the battery, which is the main problem. Where in the manual is this indexing procedure?
Hard to tell what exactly is taking place without more info. I assumed he had the power back because it appeared he had opened and closed the door a few times and was filming what was taking place. With a dead battery, you are correct you need to open the door (carefully as the window won't index) to get to the frunk release. If it were me, I wouldn't close the door all the way so as not to damage the paint on the a-pillar until I could re-index the window. Replace/recharge the battery at which time you then could go ahead and re-index the windows.
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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidin
Hello,

While I don't own a C8, a friend does. He doesn't use social media, and asked if I would post this for him.

His C8 convertible has an issue which he considers a design flaw. He said that if you open your driver's door on a convertible with the top up, after the battery has died, the window will scrape the A pillar.

Here's a video he had taken to show it:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sHP...BMX1jtuDjlIUjs
The internet is social media? Who knew.

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Old Oct 18, 2021 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
I think @Raiden is talking about opening the door while the battery is dead which is the only way you can get access to the battery unless the frunk is already open. Hopefully it doesn't cause permanent paint damage to the A pillar. You could probably connect power to the alternator wire from underneath the car to open the frunk but that would be a hassle. You could run a charging wire to outside the frunk if you are really concerned about it happening in the future. Or perhaps a cable connected to the frunk latch like the one inside the car.

But, yes, the windows will likely need to be re-indexed after a power loss.
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Did this cause any permanent paint damage to the A pillar when the door was opened once?
Originally Posted by Samuel Clemens
can he use the key fob to open the HTC and then get in the car to reprogram the windows as somebody else mentioned on page 30 of the owners manual? Sorry I guess I assumed the power was back on but he was getting scraping on the doors. I have no clue but to open the door slowly if there is no power.
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Oops, sorry. Page 18 says there's a manual release cable inside under the dash.
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Hard to tell what exactly is taking place without more info. I assumed he had the power back because it appeared he had opened and closed the door a few times and was filming what was taking place. With a dead battery, you are correct you need to open the door (carefully as the window won't index) to get to the frunk release. If it were me, I wouldn't close the door all the way so as not to damage the paint on the a-pillar until I could re-index the window. Replace/recharge the battery at which time you then could go ahead and re-index the windows.
Thanks everyone for the replies. After talking to him, he said the issue is that if your battery dies, you have to open the door to get to the front trunk (frunk) release to get to the battery, so you're basically stuck having to damage your A pillar. He believes that a tiny change in the design of the A pillar, to make it a tiny bit narrower, would solve this problem, as the window only scraped in one small spot, easily avoidable with a small change in the pillar shape or width.

Basically, there should be a way to open the front trunk without having to get inside the cabin, to avoid this issue. The instructions in the manual, I believe, for re-indexing the windows is for after power is restored, so it's not useful in this situation.

So yes, the window scratched up the clearcoat (and possibly the paint, not sure on this) when he attempted to get inside to unlatch the frunk.

I can't imagine the hardtop will open using the key fob if the battery is dead.
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Old Oct 19, 2021 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidin
Thanks everyone for the replies. After talking to him, he said the issue is that if your battery dies, you have to open the door to get to the front trunk (frunk) release to get to the battery, so you're basically stuck having to damage your A pillar. He believes that a tiny change in the design of the A pillar, to make it a tiny bit narrower, would solve this problem, as the window only scraped in one small spot, easily avoidable with a small change in the pillar shape or width.

Basically, there should be a way to open the front trunk without having to get inside the cabin, to avoid this issue. The instructions in the manual, I believe, for re-indexing the windows is for after power is restored, so it's not useful in this situation.

So yes, the window scratched up the clearcoat (and possibly the paint, not sure on this) when he attempted to get inside to unlatch the frunk.

I can't imagine the hardtop will open using the key fob if the battery is dead.
Thanks for the followup. Makes sense now. FWIIW, my C7 coupe would open (although not easily) when I had a dead battery. I would assume they designed the C8 coupe the same. Something I'll watch out for.
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Old Oct 19, 2021 | 05:03 PM
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And people were hollering in another thread that "you don't need a battery charger".
Yeah, I will keep my car on a charger when parked in my garage, and if not on a charger, I keep my window rolled down.
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Old Oct 20, 2021 | 01:59 PM
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I had my battery die during that one OTA update which was problematic, and managed to get into car, open frunk lid, charge battery without any damage to A-pillar. Wonder what went wrong in this case?
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Old Oct 20, 2021 | 08:06 PM
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*sigh* It keeps getting better and better, all 4 of my wheels have been deemed defective. In addition to the transmission, I also have to wait for 4 new wheels...
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Old Oct 20, 2021 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by improviz
I had my battery die during that one OTA update which was problematic, and managed to get into car, open frunk lid, charge battery without any damage to A-pillar. Wonder what went wrong in this case?
Do you have a coupe or convertible?
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 09:45 AM
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Raidin
Do you have a coupe or convertible?
Coupe.
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by john91498
*sigh* It keeps getting better and better, all 4 of my wheels have been deemed defective. In addition to the transmission, I also have to wait for 4 new wheels...
Eh, not like you can't drive on them until the new ones get here.
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tsigwing
Eh, not like you can't drive on them until the new ones get here.
It appears he is also waiting on a transmission......
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 08:57 PM
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Coupe.
Just FYI, I think this issue is only for the convertible.
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Old Oct 21, 2021 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by E TKIT RIDE
@RT82 I get what you're saying...if you see it everyday, yes, it would be bothersome. I'll pass along my wife's advice. Put your order in for a 22 or 23 and when it's ready, sell your current car for likely what you paid for it - or close - and hopefully GM will have worked out the kinks in the new one. This is my first vet, but I have repeatedly been told that these cars are famous for some QC issues. My final thought is, even at 100K+ this car is still a bargain. Good luck to you brother.
I bought a new 2001 C5 coupe which was the 5th year of that generation. Sadly, almost all problems from the first few years (except for leaking batteries) plagued my car. The "sail", which is the band (that extends from one side to the other) behind the targa top was shifted about 1/4-inch to the right. It was uncorrectable. There were many, many other issues that should have been corrected/upgraded by GM but never were.
So don't expect a 2022 or 2023 to be any better. As long as people continue to buy the C8 in high numbers, quality will sit on the backburner.
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Old Oct 22, 2021 | 03:04 PM
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Congrats my 22 C8 is at event status 3000. My 21 order was cut.

I cant wait I hope to see her in December
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Originally Posted by tsigwing
Eh, not like you can't drive on them until the new ones get here.
I can't drive on them since the wheels have been deemed defective. GM says it's too much of a liability, so they gave me a crappy rental till my car is done.
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Old Oct 22, 2021 | 07:10 PM
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@dave68 well wishful thinking on my part then... still an awesome car though right???
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Old Oct 22, 2021 | 07:24 PM
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I can't drive on them since the wheels have been deemed defective. GM says it's too much of a liability, so they gave me a crappy rental till my car is done.
If that is true then there should be a recall. My understanding is the porosity just doesn't meet GM standards but isn't a safety issue, especially since GM won't replace them unless it is done while the car is still in warranty.
I suspect the dealer just didn't want to go through the hassle of giving you the car back until the new wheels come in.
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