You got a 100,000 mile warranty on the drivetrain...take it in to the dealer! In these economic times, they might overlook all your toys and fix it!
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Still at it I see...just like a broken record.
For the record, I see you changed your own "tune", last time on another thread you called it stealing, now its fraud. For me its not fraud, to put an oem tune back in my modded car for a broken radio or whatever.
Finally, its been proven over and over by GM Techs on this forum and other forums that they cannot tell a tune that had been reflashed back to oem with their Tech 2's.
Here is a guy who has actually been to the dealer, have you?
Here is a guy on the G8board that did just that (not on purpose) and reprogrammed it back to stock before he took it in.
http://www.g8board.com/forums/showth...t=12605&page=6
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Originally Posted by majesticix
Time to put this one to rest everyone, they cannot tell if you had an aftermarket tune if you flash your ECM back to stock. I flashed mine back to stock a day before they inspected my car for engine replacement. Yeah, engine replacement. Doesn't get any bigger than that. They had to submit a 24 page report and take pictures of my ECM calibration numbers and send to GM for verification. I passed. So, all you need to do is flash back to stock and you're good to go. Enjoy.
Amen and spot on! My guess is these same anti tune and mod warranty moralists probably got tunes and mods in their own cars and got no problem switching back to oem for themselves come warranty time. Its always the holier than thou who are the biggest hypocrites.
Its an age old story!
This is why, in my opinion, having your tuning done locally, and/or having your own tuning hardware/software is the best idea. You never know when you might need some kind of warranty work and/or update required and the potential to have your warranty claim denied because of a "tune" discovered or worse yet, a "locked tune" or "locked PCM/ECM". Having your local tuner who can change your PCM/ECM back to stock form prior to going in to the dealer, or having your own tuner software to change back to stock assures you of no problems at the dealer when it comes to the PCM/ECM. Food for thought, especially in light of the #12 thread I just read below!!
I think you dont have the facts or straight talk. I brought this very issue up on the HP Tuner forums. To wit:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21305
I am satisfied after research that it is a bug, not a stealth locking ecm ploy on the part of GM.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21305
I am satisfied after research that it is a bug, not a stealth locking ecm ploy on the part of GM.
I just posted this as infomation, not an opinion.
However, since your offered one, here is mine. I dont see anything illegal about this much less risking legal trouble. In fact, just from a mod point of view, it is not a bad idea to have a backup ecm in the case something happens to the one you or your tuner is playing tuning on.
As for how you deal with your Dealer and/or GM on your warranty problems, that is up to the individual. Other factors may come in play, such as how much the Dealer and/or GM has been straight or screwing dealing with you previously!
However, since your offered one, here is mine. I dont see anything illegal about this much less risking legal trouble. In fact, just from a mod point of view, it is not a bad idea to have a backup ecm in the case something happens to the one you or your tuner is playing tuning on.
As for how you deal with your Dealer and/or GM on your warranty problems, that is up to the individual. Other factors may come in play, such as how much the Dealer and/or GM has been straight or screwing dealing with you previously!
I never thought of that, so I give you credit. How about if I throw some dust, crud etc. on the replaced ecm? So then, what are the answers to your other questions about not throwing codes? I could say I shut off my car immediately after hearing a very strange and loud mechanical noise? How's that?
What happens when you put your stock ecm (computer to you) in when you go to your dealer for say a tranny issue. You'll most likely get a CEL light over your headers (though your tuner disabled DTC's on the tuned ecm to prevent those CEL's). Somehow I dont think the Dealer will believe you have been running a CEL for six months since say, your last visit. Not to mention suspicions by the GM rep for pricey warranty work.
Not saying this will happeen, but I see this as a potential flaw of those separate ecm's, particularly with a fair amount of added bolt-ons. Ie: the more bolt-ons you got, the more they rely on a modified tune. And the more bolt-ons you got, the more chance they give away that you tried to fool somebody by putting back in a stock ecm.
Not saying this will happeen, but I see this as a potential flaw of those separate ecm's, particularly with a fair amount of added bolt-ons. Ie: the more bolt-ons you got, the more they rely on a modified tune. And the more bolt-ons you got, the more chance they give away that you tried to fool somebody by putting back in a stock ecm.
After being very happy with the results of putting on some bolt-ons, like Corsa exhuast, headers, CAI, DR's and tuning, I do regret messing with and wasting money on add-on ported intake manifolds which was last on my list and now realize why it is on the bottom of most bolt-on folks lists too. Its best left for the h/c crowd. I found the stock ported intake performance worthless, then found the LS6 intake only a hair better than worthless and the Fast not worth the money for its minor gains. The good news is I lost only a bit of money selling them off.
Woohoo, i wanna some flames too for my next mod, wonder if I'll regret that.
Woohoo, i wanna some flames too for my next mod, wonder if I'll regret that.
Why discuss this with a dealer? You no doubt would get a different opinion from each dealer. Some might "allow" headers, some may not, etc. Its quite obvious from reading this thread, that tuning is a 
from GM's perspective. Of course, it is also obvious from reading this thread, there are ways around that issue.
Folks who are concerned about warranty should here check first, see what others have to say and their experiences and then form an opinion. I will say your Corvette ecm "odometer counter" and "bookmark" claim has pretty much been proven
from GM's perspective. Of course, it is also obvious from reading this thread, there are ways around that issue. Folks who are concerned about warranty should here check first, see what others have to say and their experiences and then form an opinion. I will say your Corvette ecm "odometer counter" and "bookmark" claim has pretty much been proven
Actually, I have an extra PCM and it is no problem with tranny tunes. To do that, you put the oem tune back into your oem ecm (which puts the oem tcm tune back in at the same time) and then switch to put your extra ecm in there with the original ecm tune. Even folks with HP Tuner still like to have an extra ecm since they use one for their tunes and another kept original if needed.
I agree. I have an '07 and very happy with the A6 in S mode and using the paddles. I do my own ecm engine tuning but have not tuned my tranny (except for disabling upshift torque reduction) since I am happy with the A6 in its stock form and refuse to stress it with more tuning. I also drag race my car and S mode works great. 
For one thing, at wide open throttle, S mode shifts gears near redline while in D mode it shifts at around 5800 rpm and you get quicker shifts. That's why drag racers all use S mode.
For one thing, at wide open throttle, S mode shifts gears near redline while in D mode it shifts at around 5800 rpm and you get quicker shifts. That's why drag racers all use S mode.
When you flash your tune back to bone stock with HP Tuner, it also flashes the TCM to bone stock too at the same time. Thus when you reinstall the original ecm it will still have that stock tcm tune from when you flashed it before. GM wont know about the ecm or tcm. You should pick up about .15 to .30 depending on how good your custom tune is.
I have a warranty card and already read it, thanks anyways. I stand by my comment about disputing it due to GM's approval and promotion of having features and options on the car clearly meant for racing use.
It may or may not be fraud to reflash your tune back to stock or replacing a ecm, but theft...it certainly is not. I certainly dont think its fraud to pop back your stock tune if you are going in for warranty powertrain work on say a oil pan gasket. I see plenty of folks here with LS2 and LS3 bone stock cars having oil pan gasket leaks. I am certainly not going to pay for a clear cut GM flaw. Breaking half shafts while using DR's could be a different story.
It may or may not be fraud to reflash your tune back to stock or replacing a ecm, but theft...it certainly is not. I certainly dont think its fraud to pop back your stock tune if you are going in for warranty powertrain work on say a oil pan gasket. I see plenty of folks here with LS2 and LS3 bone stock cars having oil pan gasket leaks. I am certainly not going to pay for a clear cut GM flaw. Breaking half shafts while using DR's could be a different story.
I, like many others, tuned their C6's before GM's latest addendum to
the warranty. Thus, the loading back of the stock tune and/or replacing the ecm prior to going to the dealer. Since GM made changes to its warranty terms since I bought my car, seems only fair for me and others to make changes to their tunes before going to the dealer.
For people contemplating getting their cars tuned, the pro's and cons are available here to make that decision. I will say that most performance mods do require tuning the car. Thus, its really more of a question of "to mod or not to mod".
the warranty. Thus, the loading back of the stock tune and/or replacing the ecm prior to going to the dealer. Since GM made changes to its warranty terms since I bought my car, seems only fair for me and others to make changes to their tunes before going to the dealer.
For people contemplating getting their cars tuned, the pro's and cons are available here to make that decision. I will say that most performance mods do require tuning the car. Thus, its really more of a question of "to mod or not to mod".
Still at it I see...just like a broken record. For the record, I see you changed your own "tune", last time on another thread you called it stealing, now its fraud. For me its not fraud, to put an oem tune back in my modded car for a broken radio or whatever. Finally, its been proven over and over by GM Techs on this forum and other forums that they cannot tell a tune that had been reflashed back to oem with their Tech 2's.
Here is a guy who has actually been to the dealer, have you?
Here is a guy on the G8board that did just that (not on purpose) and reprogrammed it back to stock before he took it in.
http://www.g8board.com/forums/showth...t=12605&page=6
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Originally Posted by majesticix
Time to put this one to rest everyone, they cannot tell if you had an aftermarket tune if you flash your ECM back to stock. I flashed mine back to stock a day before they inspected my car for engine replacement. Yeah, engine replacement. Doesn't get any bigger than that. They had to submit a 24 page report and take pictures of my ECM calibration numbers and send to GM for verification. I passed. So, all you need to do is flash back to stock and you're good to go. Enjoy.
Amen and spot on! My guess is these same anti tune and mod warranty moralists probably got tunes and mods in their own cars and got no problem switching back to oem for themselves come warranty time. Its always the holier than thou who are the biggest hypocrites.
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If there is anything I cannot stand is a hypocrite, not to mention the part of this thread below the pictures I see above is a real piece of work.
The setup:
The OP of this thread has turned it into an evidencary holding area and a possible link for those the OP has pointed it out to. I want to add the below posts to this thread which shows a clear violation of the GM Warranty and GM Powertrain Warranty by this Ricky person by particpating in racing events. This includes HPDE's, Drag Racing Events, and possible autocrossing. These posts also show he may already have plans in place for not telling the dealer or GM about this racing event activity in the event of a GM Powertrain Warranty claim. .
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Plenty of meat left on that bone.
I'll get it, but it will require a bit more practice. These 6 runs I have learned to drive around Torque Management, and I am not doing too bad launching the car. 1/8 mile though, I should be at least at 96-98 mph.
Not that they matter to ET and Trap speed, but I expected my reaction times to suffer some going to this car, but I have cut fairly decent lights.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...n-the-z06.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...post1570581056
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...highlight=hemi
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No need for that, just sending them this information, and other links to your prior posts, and responses to those posts, that I dig up regarding this matter should be appreciated by them.
GM is trying to get back on it's feet, and if I can do my part in calling their attention to those who may have plans for defrauding them out of a warranty repair, using a spare ECM, and indeed are laying the bricks and the groundwork and purchasing the materials for potentially accomplishing such a feat, and advocating/promoting this sort of thing, then thats what I am going to do.....starting with you (and I may not get any further than you). Its my civic duty.
I would tell a cop if I saw what I thought was a drunk driver up the road. I would go to the authorities if I got wind of a potential criminal conspiracy. I will tell GM whats going on here and point them to at least one potential car which might be involved in ECM swapping for the purpose of obtaining warranty repair.
We have the car that we have right now because of General Motors. If those of us with ethics, stand by and let those who would defraud the company and cost it economically, then perhaps we won't get another Vette. So I feel compelled to drop them a note, and perhaps more than one note, telling them that they may want to look very closely at some of your prior posts, some of which I have already pointed to.
After reading those posts, they may, and possibly will, decide to be on the alert for your car should it come in for a warranty repair.
Pointing them in your direction, may even ultimately deter someone from attempting to effect a fraudulent repair.
I think it would be a good idea to send them a note expressing my concern over this matter, a matter which they are already aggressively addressing, and the fact that if left unchecked could expand on a larger scale. The addition of your posts, with my note might be enough for them to investigate further if they wish, they can decide themselves, just what they want to do with the information that you have posted up here.
Whistle blowing is a tough job. But someone has to do it. Like I said, this country would be in a helluva fix if we all just looked the other way.
Well, heres one Corvette enthusiast who is not going to look the other way. Americans in here, plotting to screw American companies already struggling, and I stand idly by while some in here talk s#!+ about doing it??????.......naw, I don't think so.
Hey, if you're clean and your car goes in for a warranty repair, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. They can dig and never find anything.
But if you are dirty, or they conclude that you might be dirty, and they dig, then they are going to go to a bit more effort and use a few more resources to determine that. Efforts and resources which you may not be familiar with. You may think you know it all, but what if you don't?
BTW, if you think I'm bluffing, I can assure you that I'm not.
GM is trying to get back on it's feet, and if I can do my part in calling their attention to those who may have plans for defrauding them out of a warranty repair, using a spare ECM, and indeed are laying the bricks and the groundwork and purchasing the materials for potentially accomplishing such a feat, and advocating/promoting this sort of thing, then thats what I am going to do.....starting with you (and I may not get any further than you). Its my civic duty.
I would tell a cop if I saw what I thought was a drunk driver up the road. I would go to the authorities if I got wind of a potential criminal conspiracy. I will tell GM whats going on here and point them to at least one potential car which might be involved in ECM swapping for the purpose of obtaining warranty repair.
We have the car that we have right now because of General Motors. If those of us with ethics, stand by and let those who would defraud the company and cost it economically, then perhaps we won't get another Vette. So I feel compelled to drop them a note, and perhaps more than one note, telling them that they may want to look very closely at some of your prior posts, some of which I have already pointed to.
After reading those posts, they may, and possibly will, decide to be on the alert for your car should it come in for a warranty repair.
Pointing them in your direction, may even ultimately deter someone from attempting to effect a fraudulent repair.
I think it would be a good idea to send them a note expressing my concern over this matter, a matter which they are already aggressively addressing, and the fact that if left unchecked could expand on a larger scale. The addition of your posts, with my note might be enough for them to investigate further if they wish, they can decide themselves, just what they want to do with the information that you have posted up here.
Whistle blowing is a tough job. But someone has to do it. Like I said, this country would be in a helluva fix if we all just looked the other way.
Well, heres one Corvette enthusiast who is not going to look the other way. Americans in here, plotting to screw American companies already struggling, and I stand idly by while some in here talk s#!+ about doing it??????.......naw, I don't think so.
Hey, if you're clean and your car goes in for a warranty repair, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. They can dig and never find anything.
But if you are dirty, or they conclude that you might be dirty, and they dig, then they are going to go to a bit more effort and use a few more resources to determine that. Efforts and resources which you may not be familiar with. You may think you know it all, but what if you don't?
BTW, if you think I'm bluffing, I can assure you that I'm not.
The OP of this thread has turned it into an evidencary holding area and a possible link for those the OP has pointed it out to. I want to add the below posts to this thread which shows a clear violation of the GM Warranty and GM Powertrain Warranty by this Ricky person by particpating in racing events. This includes HPDE's, Drag Racing Events, and possible autocrossing. These posts also show he may already have plans in place for not telling the dealer or GM about this racing event activity in the event of a GM Powertrain Warranty claim. .
The Return Follow Up:
I'm not much of a drag racer with a manual, preferring to run HPDEs with both my '05 C6 and now the '06 Z06 having concentrated on the drags with my C5 which was an automatic.
Goal with the C6 Z06 was to run the spec ET of 11.7 and prove that a non quarter miler could do it. Ran 11.8. .
Decent 60ft time on 24lbs of air in the rears and 39lbs of air in the fronts hot. One click of the TC button and a first gear burnout, nothing fancy. Half a tank of gasoline.
Launch at 3100 RPM in 73* weather today. Slight bog and then on into the gas.
I am in the right lane.
This is a completely showroom stock run on the street runflats.
*well, it does have the CAGs eliminator and the Window Valet on it.
Oh well. The spec is 11.7, I ran 11.8. Just my 6th pass. Missed the spec by about 6/100 of a second. Trap speed suffered immensely due to short shifting the 1-2 and the 2-3.
But the car, with practice, definitely has 11.5-11.6 in it at around 123 mph. These things are real beasts on a quarter mile strip. I know that I left 2 tenths and about 4-5mph out there today, short shifting.
I have about 3-4 more trips to the strip available to me before the track closes for the winter and looking for 11.6 before season end.
I solicit any comments, pointers or criticism.
Goal with the C6 Z06 was to run the spec ET of 11.7 and prove that a non quarter miler could do it. Ran 11.8. .
Decent 60ft time on 24lbs of air in the rears and 39lbs of air in the fronts hot. One click of the TC button and a first gear burnout, nothing fancy. Half a tank of gasoline.
Launch at 3100 RPM in 73* weather today. Slight bog and then on into the gas.
I am in the right lane.
This is a completely showroom stock run on the street runflats.
*well, it does have the CAGs eliminator and the Window Valet on it.
Oh well.
The spec is 11.7, I ran 11.8. Just my 6th pass. Missed the spec by about 6/100 of a second. Trap speed suffered immensely due to short shifting the 1-2 and the 2-3.But the car, with practice, definitely has 11.5-11.6 in it at around 123 mph. These things are real beasts on a quarter mile strip. I know that I left 2 tenths and about 4-5mph out there today, short shifting.
I have about 3-4 more trips to the strip available to me before the track closes for the winter and looking for 11.6 before season end.
I solicit any comments, pointers or criticism.
Plenty of meat left on that bone.I'll get it, but it will require a bit more practice. These 6 runs I have learned to drive around Torque Management, and I am not doing too bad launching the car. 1/8 mile though, I should be at least at 96-98 mph.
Not that they matter to ET and Trap speed, but I expected my reaction times to suffer some going to this car, but I have cut fairly decent lights.
I had run 12.23 just before that on a 2.1xx 60ft time before dropping the rear tire pressure. I got to the track late and came in on the stock air pressure of 32-33 lbs in the rears. I had stopped beforehand to up the fronts to 39 lbs.
This was my first 11 second run.
Of the 6 the worst of the lot is described here and was the first quarter mile pass I ever made in the car.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...highlight=hemi
Running in competitive mode, stock air in all 4 tires, poor seat positioning, really just up and decided to go to the track that day because I was doing nothing else. Doing everything wrong.
Had not even bothered to look at the available advice for running with one click of the TC button or tire pressure, etc.
I did an HPDE last weekend and have decided to try and run the spec or better in the quarter mile before fall/winter set in and I put the car away.
I may even be able to get an autocross in before it gets too cold.
This was my first 11 second run.
Of the 6 the worst of the lot is described here and was the first quarter mile pass I ever made in the car.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...highlight=hemi
Running in competitive mode, stock air in all 4 tires, poor seat positioning, really just up and decided to go to the track that day because I was doing nothing else. Doing everything wrong.Had not even bothered to look at the available advice for running with one click of the TC button or tire pressure, etc.
I did an HPDE last weekend and have decided to try and run the spec or better in the quarter mile before fall/winter set in and I put the car away.
I may even be able to get an autocross in before it gets too cold.
I know the feeling about paranoia regarding breaking something. Mine is an '06 without the upgraded rear axles. So yes, its in the back of my mind.
I guess after you run HPDEs, knowing full well that you could total the car outright, or have some other careless driver total it for you, that breaking an axle shaft doesn't scare you as much.
However if you don't beat on it then it is not abuse. And if you don't abuse it, then you should be fine. And if not, then fix it. And its not necessary to beat on it in order to get a decent time out of it.
In other words, I came nowhere close to what I would call abusing the car when I ran that 11.8.
No hard launch, no excessive slipping the clutch, no dumping the clutch, no banging the gears, and absolutley no attempt to powershift. This run was not much more aggressive than I have run the car on the highway. I put my foot into it, yes, but I was not flogging it.
The other thing for me is that there is a dealership, with a very highly respected Vette department, they sell aftermarket parts themselves, about a mile from the track. I am told that they tend not to ask too many questions either. That makes a difference too. A little more peace of mind.
I won't abuse or flog the car.
Indeed thats another remarkable thing about these cars. You don't have to flog the $#!+ out of them in order to run a decent time. You can run the spec, or very close to it, and the car will not even work up a sweat.
11.8 is "respectable" and I swear it was just lettting the car stretch it's legs. No beating on it whatsoever. Just really a very aggressive stroll, granny shifting. Some of these really good drivers whose times you see posted on that list, can run that 11.8 at will. Thats crawling to them.
So to conclude, if your goal is to run the C6 Z06 spec, then you should be able to do that without beating on it and breaking something.
I guess after you run HPDEs, knowing full well that you could total the car outright, or have some other careless driver total it for you, that breaking an axle shaft doesn't scare you as much.
However if you don't beat on it then it is not abuse. And if you don't abuse it, then you should be fine. And if not, then fix it. And its not necessary to beat on it in order to get a decent time out of it.
In other words, I came nowhere close to what I would call abusing the car when I ran that 11.8.
No hard launch, no excessive slipping the clutch, no dumping the clutch, no banging the gears, and absolutley no attempt to powershift. This run was not much more aggressive than I have run the car on the highway. I put my foot into it, yes, but I was not flogging it.
The other thing for me is that there is a dealership, with a very highly respected Vette department, they sell aftermarket parts themselves, about a mile from the track. I am told that they tend not to ask too many questions either. That makes a difference too. A little more peace of mind.
I won't abuse or flog the car.
Indeed thats another remarkable thing about these cars. You don't have to flog the $#!+ out of them in order to run a decent time. You can run the spec, or very close to it, and the car will not even work up a sweat.
11.8 is "respectable" and I swear it was just lettting the car stretch it's legs. No beating on it whatsoever. Just really a very aggressive stroll, granny shifting. Some of these really good drivers whose times you see posted on that list, can run that 11.8 at will. Thats crawling to them.
So to conclude, if your goal is to run the C6 Z06 spec, then you should be able to do that without beating on it and breaking something.
This almost happened to me just two nights ago.
First trip ever down the strip in this car. Came out of the hole OK, nailed the 1-2 and got some tire spin, which you sometimes get even in an automatic. Now this 1-2 was as close to perfect as I can make it. I didn't bang it, it was a nice smooth shift with a little lift of the throttle and then back into the throttle and heading back towards full throttle after the shift was made.
Got a little spin which would sometimes happen in the 1-2 shift of my C5 automatic so I expected a little spin on the shift.
Thought it was going to hook after a little spin on the 1-2, and it did. But only the right tire hooked and started sending me towards the left lane. I was running in the right lane against a 2008 Dodge Charger SRT 8 with the 6.1 hemi spraying a 100 wet shot.
When my car started trying to get away from me, I knew better than to stay in it, so I lifted thinking that would settle it down. It did to some degree, but I was approaching 100mph. And for the first time ever I actually had to correct the car with the steering wheel. First time I have ever had to do that on a strip or road course.
This gave the Charger a chance to blow past
When she behaved, I got back into it and the run resulted in a 12.9 at around 117mph. I have the slip upstairs. But I had gotten scarily close to crossing into the other lane.
All of this happend in a split second and had I been running in the left lane, matters could have gotten quite a bit uglier.
I talked this pass over with a couple people who saw it, and some who didn't, and theories abound as to why she broke loose in second like that. I was running in competitive mode.
First trip ever down the strip in this car. Came out of the hole OK, nailed the 1-2 and got some tire spin, which you sometimes get even in an automatic. Now this 1-2 was as close to perfect as I can make it. I didn't bang it, it was a nice smooth shift with a little lift of the throttle and then back into the throttle and heading back towards full throttle after the shift was made.
Got a little spin which would sometimes happen in the 1-2 shift of my C5 automatic so I expected a little spin on the shift.
Thought it was going to hook after a little spin on the 1-2, and it did. But only the right tire hooked and started sending me towards the left lane. I was running in the right lane against a 2008 Dodge Charger SRT 8 with the 6.1 hemi spraying a 100 wet shot.
When my car started trying to get away from me, I knew better than to stay in it, so I lifted thinking that would settle it down. It did to some degree, but I was approaching 100mph. And for the first time ever I actually had to correct the car with the steering wheel. First time I have ever had to do that on a strip or road course.
This gave the Charger a chance to blow past
When she behaved, I got back into it and the run resulted in a 12.9 at around 117mph. I have the slip upstairs. But I had gotten scarily close to crossing into the other lane.
All of this happend in a split second and had I been running in the left lane, matters could have gotten quite a bit uglier.
I talked this pass over with a couple people who saw it, and some who didn't, and theories abound as to why she broke loose in second like that. I was running in competitive mode.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...post1570581056
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...highlight=hemi
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Interesting to see that you are following me Siffert.
Thats right, fix it. 
You have nothing there stating that I intend to tune my car and return it back to stock to effect a warranty repair.
If my Z06 broke at the track, personally, I'd make no attempt to conceal where or how it broke, and would make no alterations to it before taking it into the dealership for a repair, in an attempt to conceal how it was configured when it broke.
And I most certainly would not return it back to stock in an attempt to get one over on them.
The above would be fraud.
To me, that looks like fraud. And I believe that you say elsewhere that you have a spare ECM?
Hell, the stuff you copied and pasted up here, my past posts......hell, I'd myself show those to them without reservation.
1. Nothing indicating any attempt to take my car back to stock to fool GM into a warranty repair.
2. Nothing indicating that I have collected a spare ECM neccessary to make an attempt at defrauding GM and am prepared to use it for such purposes.
3. Nothing indicating my intent to attempt to defraud GM in out of a warranty repair.
Can you say the above?
....I know the feeling about paranoia regarding breaking something. Mine is an '06 without the upgraded rear axles. So yes, its in the back of my mind.
I guess after you run HPDEs, knowing full well that you could total the car outright, or have some other careless driver total it for you, that breaking an axle shaft doesn't scare you as much.
However if you don't beat on it then it is not abuse. And if you don't abuse it, then you should be fine. And if not, then fix it. And its not necessary to beat on it in order to get a decent time out of it.
I guess after you run HPDEs, knowing full well that you could total the car outright, or have some other careless driver total it for you, that breaking an axle shaft doesn't scare you as much.
However if you don't beat on it then it is not abuse. And if you don't abuse it, then you should be fine. And if not, then fix it. And its not necessary to beat on it in order to get a decent time out of it.
You have nothing there stating that I intend to tune my car and return it back to stock to effect a warranty repair.
If my Z06 broke at the track, personally, I'd make no attempt to conceal where or how it broke, and would make no alterations to it before taking it into the dealership for a repair, in an attempt to conceal how it was configured when it broke.
And I most certainly would not return it back to stock in an attempt to get one over on them.
The above would be fraud.
This is why, in my opinion, having your tuning done locally, and/or having your own tuning hardware/software is the best idea. You never know when you might need some kind of warranty work and/or update required and the potential to have your warranty claim denied because of a "tune" discovered or worse yet, a "locked tune" or "locked PCM/ECM". Having your local tuner who can change your PCM/ECM back to stock form prior to going in to the dealer, or having your own tuner software to change back to stock assures you of no problems at the dealer when it comes to the PCM/ECM. Food for thought, especially in light of the #12 thread I just read below!!
Hell, the stuff you copied and pasted up here, my past posts......hell, I'd myself show those to them without reservation.
1. Nothing indicating any attempt to take my car back to stock to fool GM into a warranty repair.
2. Nothing indicating that I have collected a spare ECM neccessary to make an attempt at defrauding GM and am prepared to use it for such purposes.
3. Nothing indicating my intent to attempt to defraud GM in out of a warranty repair.
Can you say the above?
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You can long wind it, spin it and sleaze it all you want. You are not fooling me and you who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. GM's voided warranty disclaimer about racing was the same two years ago as it is now.
Two years ago you were not talking about taking your time slips and racing records to the dealer, rather looking for a dealer dealing in aftermarket parts who did not ask too many questions. That is the bottom line and fraud on you. Now that you got called out on it, the fact that you are singing a new spin song now does not change that fact.
Finally, I must say I have a very low opinion of you too after seeing this piece of work here of yours on this thread....cleverly trying to hide and collect my posts here under a bunch of pictures. Clever? maybe, Sick? For sure.
Two years ago you were not talking about taking your time slips and racing records to the dealer, rather looking for a dealer dealing in aftermarket parts who did not ask too many questions. That is the bottom line and fraud on you. Now that you got called out on it, the fact that you are singing a new spin song now does not change that fact.
Finally, I must say I have a very low opinion of you too after seeing this piece of work here of yours on this thread....cleverly trying to hide and collect my posts here under a bunch of pictures. Clever? maybe, Sick? For sure.
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You can long wind it, spin it and sleaze it all you want. You are not fooling me and you who lives in a glass house should not throw stones. GM's voided warranty disclaimer about racing was the same two years ago as it is now.
Two years ago you were not talking about taking your time slips and racing records to the dealer, rather looking for a dealer dealing in aftermarket parts who did not ask too many questions. That is the bottom line and fraud on you. Now that you got called out on it, the fact that you are singing a new spin song now does not change that fact.
Finally, I must say I have a very low opinion of you too after seeing this piece of work here of yours on this thread....cleverly trying to hide and collect my posts here under a bunch of pictures. Clever? maybe, Sick? For sure.
Two years ago you were not talking about taking your time slips and racing records to the dealer, rather looking for a dealer dealing in aftermarket parts who did not ask too many questions. That is the bottom line and fraud on you. Now that you got called out on it, the fact that you are singing a new spin song now does not change that fact.
Finally, I must say I have a very low opinion of you too after seeing this piece of work here of yours on this thread....cleverly trying to hide and collect my posts here under a bunch of pictures. Clever? maybe, Sick? For sure.
Perhaps you should read your warranty booklet. Mine says:
What is Not Covered
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Damagae Due to Accident, Misuse, or Alteration
*Misuse of the vehicle such as driving over curbs, overloading, racing, or other competition.
Thus if the damage is "due to" any of that then that damage is not covered.
Your warranty is not voided simply because you raced the car at one time or another.
They say that if you damage it due to racing it or misusing it, then its not covered.
Finally, I have to say that I find your attempts with regard to that dealership humorous.
You are grasping at straws.
As far as the rumors of that dealership supposedly not asking many questions at that time, well, even if true, and who says that they were, I don't have anything to do with that.
I'd tell them it broke, at the track, they would know, or have a good idea that it did anyway, and let them take it from there.
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Dont bother telling me that , tell it to the GM rep, not me. Any Dealer or Rep who knows your drag racing and HPDE'ing is abusing and misuing your vehicle. It does not matter if it doesnt happen same day right at the track. Finally, your "repository" here is really, really......
, tell it to the GM rep, not me. Any Dealer or Rep who knows your drag racing and HPDE'ing is abusing and misuing your vehicle. It does not matter if it doesnt happen same day right at the track. Finally, your "repository" here is really, really......
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Dont bother telling me that , tell it to the GM rep, not me. Any Dealer or Rep who knows your drag racing and HPDE'ing is abusing and misuing your vehicle. It does not matter if it doesnt happen same day right at the track. Finally, your "repository" here is really, really......
, tell it to the GM rep, not me. Any Dealer or Rep who knows your drag racing and HPDE'ing is abusing and misuing your vehicle. It does not matter if it doesnt happen same day right at the track. Finally, your "repository" here is really, really...... 
Damn Siffert. If they are going to nail people for racing, and call it abuse and misues, well then it looks like your warranty is in peril on two different counts.
Your apparent plans which you seem to outline for ECM altering when it goes back to the dealership, and your racing status.
Looks like you are holding down the 6th spot in this competition/listing whatever you want to call it.
Rigged ECM??????....You may as well not even bother trying to defraud them with an altered or replaced ECM.
If racing in and of itself, will kill a warranty, no matter if it breaks on the track or not, well then they would already have the goods on you.
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Looks to me like you had better be worried about your own warranty as it pertains to racing, as opposed to mine.
They deny my warranty, I'm cool with it. I won't try and hide a thing from them, unlike the dirtbags and cheats who will, by altering their ECMs trying to hide the fact that their cars have been tuned with aftermarket calibrations.
My car breaks right now, I take it in as is and let the chips fall where they may. If it comes down that I have to pay to have it fixed, then I man up and pay to have it fixed.
Unlike some here, I won't take steps to deceive GM into believing that my car has a stock ECM calibration in it, or had a stock calibration in it when it broke, all in an attempt to get a fraudulent warranty repair.
Thats truly pathetic.
And I hope they get caught trying to do it.
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You already have taken steps to defraud GM by partaking in racing events and by saying you still have a 5 year Powertrain Warranty. Plus what you say here is exactly the opposite of what you say to the dealer. You can say anything here, not to mention the pathetic registry on this thread here.
you say here is exactly the opposite of what you say to the dealer. You can say anything here, not to mention the pathetic registry on this thread here.
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You already have taken steps to defraud GM by partaking in racing events and by saying you still have a 5 year Powertrain Warranty. Plus what you say here is exactly the opposite of what you say to the dealer. You can say anything here, not to mention the pathetic registry on this thread here.
you say here is exactly the opposite of what you say to the dealer. You can say anything here, not to mention the pathetic registry on this thread here."TECHNICALLY SPEAKING "ANY" mod to the drivetrain including intakes and headers is justification enough to have your warranty voided if they wanna press the issue....but, dealerships in general would not stoop to such practices if they valued you as a customer, wanted your return business, and wanted to maintain a good relationship with the public at large."
Like very many of the people in here, Siffert my own powertrain warranty might be solid, and then it might not, because of the above.
If GM really wanted to deny me warranty coverage, they would be within their rights to do so because of my MGW shifter, which is well described here and which I would not remove should I have to take the car in. I knew that before I put it in and accepted that fact.
And I wouldn't bitch if they denied it. I'd man up and pay. Hell, I certainly would not post up in here, on this public forum, that I had an aftermarket shifter in the car, if I were planning on removing it before taking the car into the dealership for a warranty repair.
But believe it or not, some folks have indeed posted up, that they have bought a second ECM and plan to swap it in for trips to the dealership.
Can you guess who some of those brilliant folks are Siffert?
So you see, this is where your whole flimsy argument falls apart. I won't attempt to hide anything about my car from the dealership in order to effect a warranty repair.
But you on the other hand, have come out and indicated that you would be inclined to. Myself, and perhaps even some others in here, don't feel that is a very honorable approach to take.
As far as warranty denial, they can deny one's warranty for a shift skip eliminator if they want to.
If GM wanted to deny warranty coverage on a car for insufficient maintenance, they could.
But GM seems to really have a hard on for aftermarket tune cheats right now. They indicate that they are on the look out for them. And you really can't blame them. That have taken a beating on warranty claims on some of their vehicles, not just Vettes, for parts which broke due to an aftermarket tune.
The thing is though Siffert, one would have to be crazy, or worse, unethical, to commit the fraudulent act of reflashing an ECM back to stock, or replacing an ECM outright, for the purpose of insuring that they got a warranty claim approved.
Like I said before, the ones doing this, well, I hope they get caught.
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Like very many of the people in here, Siffert my own powertrain warranty might be iron clad, and then it might not. Indeed, in my case, its very likely not.
If GM really wanted to deny me warranty coverage, they would be within their rights to do so because of my MGW shifter, which is well described here and which I would not remove should I have to take the car in.
And I wouldn't bitch if they denied it. I'd man up and pay. Hell, I certainly would not post up in here, on this public forum, that I had an aftermarket shifter in the car, if I were planning on removing it before taking the car into the dealership for a warranty repair.
But believe it or not, some folks have indeed posted up, that they have bought a second ECM and plan to swap it in for trips to the dealership.
Can you guess who some of those brilliant folks are Siffert?
So you see, this is where your whole flimsy argument falls apart.
They can deny your warranty for a shift skip eliminator if they want to.
If GM wanted to deny warranty coverage on a car for insufficient maintenance, they could.
The thing is though Siffert, one would have to be crazy, or worse, unethical, to commit the fraudulent act of reflashing an ECM back to stock, or replacing an ECM outright, for the purpose of insuring that they got a warranty claim approved.
Like I said before, the ones doing this, well I hope they get caught.
If GM really wanted to deny me warranty coverage, they would be within their rights to do so because of my MGW shifter, which is well described here and which I would not remove should I have to take the car in.
And I wouldn't bitch if they denied it. I'd man up and pay. Hell, I certainly would not post up in here, on this public forum, that I had an aftermarket shifter in the car, if I were planning on removing it before taking the car into the dealership for a warranty repair.
But believe it or not, some folks have indeed posted up, that they have bought a second ECM and plan to swap it in for trips to the dealership.
Can you guess who some of those brilliant folks are Siffert?
So you see, this is where your whole flimsy argument falls apart.
They can deny your warranty for a shift skip eliminator if they want to.
If GM wanted to deny warranty coverage on a car for insufficient maintenance, they could.
The thing is though Siffert, one would have to be crazy, or worse, unethical, to commit the fraudulent act of reflashing an ECM back to stock, or replacing an ECM outright, for the purpose of insuring that they got a warranty claim approved.
Like I said before, the ones doing this, well I hope they get caught.
they can even deny it for to many repairs if they want, had it done with a lemon i had a problem with my trans gm fixed it they were told y the tech it had gears and converter they said my problem had nothing to do with my after market parts, then an over heating problem in the trans, they even thought it was my tune and put a knew tcm and pcm in and it still over heated, they fixed it and had my tuner retune the car and trans, i go in with full drag pack, and havnt been denied, 1 axle 1 trans 1 steering sensor 1 bcm, no tricks or favors, if i had to pay for the work i would have but these were all known problems with my car and gm took care of it, gm stood behind there product, could it be that some dealers just try to get your warranty cancelled so they can charge over rate or book price
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I hope they get caught.
If you are going to mod, or race, then man up and pay if it comes down to that, after something breaks.
If they look at it, and the ruling goes against you, then man up and pay.
Instead of going in there with some rigged and altered crap and the deliberate and premeditated intent of trying to steal and defraud your way into a free warranty repair.
Those are the actions of a real rat. And I hope they get caught.
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they can even deny it for to many repairs if they want, had it done with a lemon i had a problem with my trans gm fixed it they were told y the tech it had gears and converter they said my problem had nothing to do with my after market parts, then an over heating problem in the trans, they even thought it was my tune and put a knew tcm and pcm in and it still over heated, they fixed it and had my tuner retune the car and trans, i go in with full drag pack, and havnt been denied, 1 axle 1 trans 1 steering sensor 1 bcm, no tricks or favors, if i had to pay for the work i would have but these were all known problems with my car and gm took care of it, gm stood behind there product, could it be that some dealers just try to get your warranty cancelled so they can charge over rate or book price Exactly Dennis. And I admire you for manning up when you say, If I had to pay for the work, I would.But I wouldn't go into the dealership trying to trick them like some would.
You know, this Siffert guy loves to argue and pick fights. I see him in this section arguing with you over DA.